Lindsey Graham:Non-compliance w/House is impeachable

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EAllusion wrote:
subgenius wrote:nope. The facts support that her poorly designed and poorly executed campaign lost her the election.


Oh, I'm sure non-stop emails coverage that portrayed Clinton as if she were mired in the middle of Watergate triggered by that Comey scolding had nothing to do with the less than a % people she needed to win in a couple of states.

"Facts."

Strangely, for someone who ‘lost an election’, more people still voted for her than the guy who won it. The resulting Trumpian Butthurt over that rejection by the voters went on display almost immediately with those tall tales about inauguration crowds and ‘millions of illegals who only vote Democratic ticket’.

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This law seems silly to me as well, but it is unambiguously the law.


Who exactly makes up this law? Is it a congressional statute? Is it case law precedent? Or is it what the current attorney general says is the law?

The odd thing about this conspiracy theory I've never got is that if Clinton wanted to do this, he could've just made a private phone call instead of having a publicly observable meeting. It makes no sense.


Could Congress have wiretapped his phone similar to the way Obama wiretapped the Trump campaign? To hide it in an email conversation he would have needed a private server. Isn't that reason Hillary used an illegal private server, to hide her emails from congressional Republicans?

Strangely, for someone who ‘lost an election’, more people still voted for her than the guy who won it


White male coal miners and blue collar workers in the rust belt ended up being a more important vote than Maxine Waters constituency out in California. I don't think the Democrat party leaders intentionally narrowed their platform to exclude the forgotten man in the rust belt. It was a political force from the left of the party that they couldn't stop. But Clinton didn't help herself by promising to shut down the coal mines. Either way it was a big mistake and they paid the price for it in 2016.
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ajax18 wrote:Could Congress have wiretapped his phone similar to the way Obama wiretapped the Trump campaign?


You keep repeating the claim of Obama “wiretapping the Trump campaign” as if this was a true event.

What’s up with your imagination these days?
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ajax18 wrote:White male coal miners and blue collar workers in the rust belt ended up being a more important vote than Maxine Waters constituency out in California. I don't think the Democrat party leaders intentionally narrowed their platform to exclude the forgotten man in the rust belt. It was a political force from the left of the party that they couldn't stop. But Clinton didn't help herself by promising to shut down the coal mines. Either way it was a big mistake and they paid the price for it in 2016.


Clinton wasn’t wrong. In fact, use of coal for power generation continues to decline, and Trump is not going to change that. Check this out for yourself at the following link:

https://www.eia.gov/electricity/annual/ ... 04_01.html

Clinton wasn’t promising to shut down mines (how would she even have done that?); she was promising to help train coal workers displaced by the market’s move away from coal/fired plants for new professions or for transition to the newer technology. Here’s her full statement from that exchange:

Instead of dividing people the way Donald Trump does, let’s reunite around politics that will bring jobs and opportunities to all these under-served poor communities. So, for example, I’m the only candidate who has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country. Because we’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business, right, Tim? [Rep. Tim Ryan (D-OH) was in the audience.]

And we’re going to make it clear that we don’t want to forget those people. Those people labored in those mines for generations, losing their health, often losing their lives to turn on our lights and power our factories. Now we’ve got to move away from coal and all the other fossil fuels, but I don’t want to move away from the people who did the best they could to produce energy that we relied on.
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The pathological dishonesty and hypocrisy of hard right conservative Trumpists exposed in this thread alone is absolutely breathtaking in magnitude, and it is just the tip of the iceberg!

Coal miners, believe it or not, will, even in the relatively short term, benefit as much from transitioning to green, renewable energy sources as anyone else, and certainly in the long term, both health wise and eventually by the need for workers required to implement that transition. Only the fossil fuel corporations and their owners stand to lose much by that transition, unless they get on board with investing in and helping to further that transition. Some of them are already wising up and starting to do so!
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Rush and especially Hannity are still talking a lot about Hillary over their radio shows. That is the main reason why ajax brought her up here. Trump has been President for now 27 months and Hannity still can't stop continuing talking about her.

Sean Hannity: ‘Hillary Clinton’s Email Server Is a Real Threat to Our Safety and Security’

Rush Limbaugh: Hillary Clinton Needs to Be Investigated, Indicted and in Jail


White male coal miners and blue collar workers in the rust belt ended up being a more important vote than Maxine Waters constituency out in California. I don't think the Democrat party leaders intentionally narrowed their platform to exclude the forgotten man in the rust belt. It was a political force from the left of the party that they couldn't stop. But Clinton didn't help herself by promising to shut down the coal mines. Either way it was a big mistake and they paid the price for it in 2016.


Hillary didn't campaign in Wisconsin during the 2016 general election. The Democratic Convention is going to take place in Wisconsin in 2020. During the 2018 midterms, all the three rustbelt states that delivered Trump his victory in 2016 (PA, MI and WI), the Democrats won the senate and Governor’s races. I believe that at least two of those rustbelt states will go blue in 2020.
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Hillary didn't campaign in Wisconsin during the 2016 general election. The Democratic Convention is going to take place in Wisconsin in 2020. During the 2018 midterms, all the three rustbelt states that delivered Trump his victory in 2016 (PA, MI and WI), the Democrats won the senate and Governor’s races. I believe that at least two of those rustbelt states will go blue in 2020.


You might not even need the rust belt votes to win in 2020. As is often pointed out, Hillary won the popular vote without the help of the rust belt. It depends on how much you can change the demographics and politics of the country through mass and illegal immigration. Of course overpopulation is ultimately bad for Gunnars climate change aspirations. But I doubt he's really concerned about climate change so much as instituting global democratic socialism and wealth redistribution which will undoubtedly drive down the standard of living for American citizens but should elevate the standard of living for all citizens of the world on average.
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ajax18 wrote:Of course overpopulation is ultimately bad for Gunnars climate change aspirations. But I doubt he's really concerned about climate change so much as instituting global democratic socialism and wealth redistribution which will undoubtedly drive down the standard of living for American citizens but should elevate the standard of living for all citizens of the world on average.

Yes, that’s it. Folks who are concerned about the functionality of planetary systems with an eye to the future aren’t really concerned for the fate and opportunities of their children; they’re just trying to make everyone poor and drive down everyone’s standard of living.

If those same folks would just concentrate on making our borders impenetrable to all immigration and building up the white ethnostate, we can instead achieve the sort of riotous prosperity and health as can be seen in the American South and Appalachia.
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canpakes wrote:Yes, that’s it. Folks who are concerned about the functionality of planetary systems with an eye to the future aren’t really concerned for the fate and opportunities of their children; they’re just trying to make everyone poor and drive down everyone’s standard of living.

If those same folks would just concentrate on making our borders impenetrable to all immigration and building up the white ethnostate, we can instead achieve the sort of riotous prosperity and health as can be seen in the American South and Appalachia.


Excellent answer! As usual, Ajax doesn't know what he is talking about, and contrary to what he disingenuously continues to assert or imply, none of us want open, unguarded borders and unlimited or illegal immigration.

He is also clueless about what we mean by social democracy. Social democracies like the Scandinavian countries, now actually have higher standards of living than the USA, and (more importantly) have significantly better health care systems than ours (at half the cost), longer average longevity, much more highly rated public school systems, lower crime rates and happier citizens. I marvel at how he can continue to remain so stubbornly clueless and so willfully ignorant.

I and my family might have been better off, had they remained in Norway, but I still love my adopted country, its tremendous potential, its past contributions to the world, both cultural and scientific, and my many friends and relatives who live in it. But I can't help sorrowing over what hard right conservatives (most notably Trump and his wealthy, plutocratic cronies) have been doing to it in recent decades. They have turned against science and true progress, and are doing their darnedest to dumb down American voters and at least partially reverse the real progress we have made in civil rights and equality for all.

I was so elated and proud when we managed to overcome racial prejudice enough (I thought) to elect a Black President. Instead, his election seemed to reignite still smoldering racial prejudice in this country, which to my great dismay, was not nearly as latent as I had thought. President Obama may not have been the best or most effective President we have ever had, but he was a darn sight better than Trump, and certainly much less immoral and corrupt. He almost certainly could have accomplished much more had he not been confronted with hard right Republican opponents, like Mitch McConnell, who openly, boastfully and repeatedly vowed that his foremost goal was to do everything possible to make sure Obama failed at anything he tried to do, even programs and policies initially proposed by Republicans themselves. I strongly suspect that if Obama had abandoned support for the ACA and then claimed to strongly oppose universal, single payer health care, the Republicans would have immediately reversed their own stance and passed universal health care anyway, just to spite Obama!
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Why did you leave Norway Gunnar? And why don't you return now if you agree with the politics of the people there? You don't seem anything like Ragnar Lothbrok to me.

What in your opinion changed about Scandinavians? You're not that different gentically from the people that dominated Northern Europe during the Viking age. What turned your people into the impotent wannabe communists we see today? Was it Christianity? No more promises of Valhalla? Or was it just Marx?
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