Mueller dissatisfied with Barr's 4 page memo
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The letter specifically says that Barr misrepresented the context, nature, and substance of the report. Now that we have read much of it, that’s obviously true. The media was very irresponsible in how it handled Barr’s attempts at misleading, but bad reporting, in part driven by irrational trust in Barr’s propriety when there were all sorts of warning signs, does not excuse Barr.
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Exiled wrote:No, you need to put it like this: YOUR ON CRACK .... THE RUSSIANS ATTACKED US
Yes, we've noticed you read what you want to read and not what's on the page. That explains why you think Barr's "summary" was accurate.
Still haven't read Mueller's report, have you (at least, for comprehension)? Talking the way you do without reading it makes you look dumb. I suppose that doesn't bother you much.
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Perfume on my Mind wrote:Exiled wrote:No, you need to put it like this: YOUR ON CRACK .... THE RUSSIANS ATTACKED US
Yes, we've noticed you read what you want to read and not what's on the page. That explains why you think Barr's "summary" was accurate.
Still haven't read Mueller's report, have you (at least, for comprehension)? Talking the way you do without reading it makes you look dumb. I suppose that doesn't bother you much.
I've read it and I am still not hysterical over it. My point is that it would be better to admit that the Russiagate religion isn't true and to move on. Right now warmongering Trump is trying to overthrow the elected government in Venezuela. Also, and more importantly, the whole mess might have helped give Trump another term by turning people off of the Democrats, who are hellbent on continuing to push the russiagate religion on the country. Just admit that the wallstreet side of the democratic party was resoundingly defeated in 2016 and let's turn to where the people are on the issues already before Trump lies again about populism and tricks enough into voting for him again.
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Exiled wrote:I've read it and I am still not hysterical over it.
There are two ways to interpret this:
- You didn't understand it
- You're lying
Exiled wrote:My point is that it would be better to admit that the Russiagate religion isn't true and to move on.
You can idiotically call it a religion all you want, but it's not a religion. Religions don't deal in facts and evidence, and it seems you don't either.
Denial of what the Russians did... now that's a religion. The conclusions you must draw in order to make that work for you... well, makes you a typical deluded Republican. I'm sure you feel all tingly inside. In the name of the holy “F”, amen.
I'm not a Democrat. I don't care about the Democratic party except to the extent that they nominate a guy to beat the giant douche bag who's unwilling to do anything about Russia's attack (why would he? The moron welcomed it) and is clearly guilty of obstructing justice.
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Re: Mueller dissatisfied with Barr's 4 page memo
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It seems this is about Mueller not liking Barr's accurate summary and wanted his own summary to be shown to the media. I guess Mueller is entitled to push for his summary. However, Barr can speak for himself and opine on the report via his own summary. So where is Barr full of ____ in his accurate summary? This summary fight seems like political nonsense to me.
Did you just say Barr's "accurate" summary?
Are you on crack or something?
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Russiagate religion? That’s the best you got? The report documented a massive effort by Russia to defeat Clinton (which you erroneously describe as a few online ads). That effort was welcomed and encouraged by the Trump campaign and Trump himself. Hell, Manafort passed on polling data in four states — three of which were the three rust belt states that gave him a narrow victory. But Mueller, properly in my opinion, found no conspiracy because didn’t find sufficient evidence of an agreed plan between the campaign and the Russian government.
I witnessed the effect of the Russian effort on several of my friends and acquaintances who were Bernie supporters. They pushed anti-Clinton and DNC propaganda from websites and Facebook pages that turned out to have been part of the Russian effort. That polarized them against Clinton to the extent that several voted for Stein or stayed home rather than vote for Clinton.
I’ve seen no sign that backing the Mueller investigation has hurt Democrats. If Republicans can have seven separate Benghazi investigations, I suspect Congressional Democrats can have one.
It’s fascinating to me to watch you claim that Trump “tricked” voters into electing him but deny that the Russians had anything to do with the tricking.
I witnessed the effect of the Russian effort on several of my friends and acquaintances who were Bernie supporters. They pushed anti-Clinton and DNC propaganda from websites and Facebook pages that turned out to have been part of the Russian effort. That polarized them against Clinton to the extent that several voted for Stein or stayed home rather than vote for Clinton.
I’ve seen no sign that backing the Mueller investigation has hurt Democrats. If Republicans can have seven separate Benghazi investigations, I suspect Congressional Democrats can have one.
It’s fascinating to me to watch you claim that Trump “tricked” voters into electing him but deny that the Russians had anything to do with the tricking.
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Re: Mueller dissatisfied with Barr's 4 page memo
Kevin Graham wrote:Exiled wrote:
It seems this is about Mueller not liking Barr's accurate summary and wanted his own summary to be shown to the media. I guess Mueller is entitled to push for his summary. However, Barr can speak for himself and opine on the report via his own summary. So where is Barr full of ____ in his accurate summary? This summary fight seems like political nonsense to me.
Did you just say Barr's "accurate" summary?
Are you on crack or something?
This does seem like the most likely explanation (assuming he's read any of the relevant documents).
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Res Ipsa wrote:I’ve seen no sign that backing the Mueller investigation has hurt Democrats. If Republicans can have seven separate Benghazi investigations, I suspect Congressional Democrats can have one.
I wonder where all these Republican "Can't we just move on" requests were after the first few Benghazi investigations.
You'd almost suspect the GOP base doesn't think about... anything.
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It is a religion or at least really close. We've been burdened with two years plus of wild speculations about what Trump did or how he is supposedly Putin's puppet, just like religion does with its wild speculations about life after death. Who can forget Maddow speculating on how Putin could shut off our power and freeze us out? That probably was the height of russiagate hysteria given unto us by the high priestess of russiagate herself. Her program was entirely based on this type of speculative nonsense while we waited for Mueller's investigation to conclude. It's been kinda like Glenn Beck for corporate liberals .... However, the walls never quite closed in, just like Jesus never returned.
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Res Ipsa wrote:Russiagate religion? That’s the best you got? The report documented a massive effort by Russia to defeat Clinton (which you erroneously describe as a few online ads). That effort was welcomed and encouraged by the Trump campaign and Trump himself. Hell, Manafort passed on polling data in four states — three of which were the three rust belt states that gave him a narrow victory. But Mueller, properly in my opinion, found no conspiracy because didn’t find sufficient evidence of an agreed plan between the campaign and the Russian government.
I witnessed the effect of the Russian effort on several of my friends and acquaintances who were Bernie supporters. They pushed anti-Clinton and DNC propaganda from websites and Facebook pages that turned out to have been part of the Russian effort. That polarized them against Clinton to the extent that several voted for Stein or stayed home rather than vote for Clinton.
I’ve seen no sign that backing the Mueller investigation has hurt Democrats. If Republicans can have seven separate Benghazi investigations, I suspect Congressional Democrats can have one.
It’s fascinating to me to watch you claim that Trump “tricked” voters into electing him but deny that the Russians had anything to do with the tricking.
Benghazi was too much. Russia didn't make people vote for Trump. Enough believed his lies about stopping the wars and bringing jobs back to vote him in. Clinton, on the other hand, the corporatist neocon, was rejected. That's what happened.
Or I guess you can continue to believe that the minimal amounts spent by the Russians outfoxed Clinton and her Hundreds of Millions. I think people are tired of the same old corporatists running things and desperately voted in a t.v. clown. Hopefully, Sanders will get a chance this time around.
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