Mueller dissatisfied with Barr's 4 page memo

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Exiled wrote:... I guess you can continue to believe that the minimal amounts spent by the Russians outfoxed Clinton and her Hundreds of Millions.


Lol. There it is again.

I’ll just park this here:

The attempt to hand-wave away the impact of activities on Facebook on the basis of dollars spent strikes me as either disingenuous or obtuse. It takes virtually no investment to launch a meme that can be repeated a million more times by followers of compromised or suspect sites. Given that these memes can be created within moments - even by anyone with only a cellphone app - the ability to spread misleading or untruthful information is limited less by actual dollars than by the number of folks willing to spend a second to forward or repost a simple image.

The exercise of working to sway the general public’s opinion is currently very easily promoted by technology that enables the most minor of actors while requiring virtually no cash, if one has the correct entry point or timing.

Spending millions of dollars on those activities, then, has incredible potential to reach millions of people over an extremely broad time span, limited only by the stupidity or dishonesty of the audience.
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Exiled wrote:It is a religion or at least really close. We've been burdened with two years plus of wild speculations about what Trump did or how he is supposedly Putin's puppet, just like religion does with its wild speculations about life after death. Who can forget Maddow speculating on how Putin could shut off our power and freeze us out?

"Burdened with wild speculations..." right. Again, you tip everyone off that you didn't read the damned report you want to pretend is exonerating.

Yeah, I don't watch Rachel Maddow. Yet somehow, the evidence of Russian interference made its way to me. It's almost as if facts have a way of being reported to people if they're actually, ya know, facts. You'd know this if you stepped out of the idiotic right-wing Fox bubble you're afraid to leave.

Ever heard of Sally Yates? James Clapper? You think they're pastors of the "Russiagate" religion?

You probably think OJ was innocent too.

One thing is for certain: this cult you belong to is far more powerful than any fans Maddow has. The Russians have actually convinced you to look the other way. Nice going, dupe.
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Somehow Exiled always forgets to include the cost of the troll farm, the military hackers, the operatives in the US that organized rallies, etc. I wonder why that is.
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Res Ipsa wrote:Somehow Exiled always forgets to include the cost of the troll farm, the military hackers, the operatives in the US that organized rallies, etc. I wonder why that is.
Given my conversation on the other Mueller Report related thread with him it is because he doesn't accept that the Russians hacked the DNC and may likely think the other items on the list are spin-offs of that same conspiracy.


I know you know this, just have to voice my frustration on this topic.
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Res Ipsa wrote:Somehow Exiled always forgets to include the cost of the troll farm, the military hackers, the operatives in the US that organized rallies, etc. I wonder why that is.

It's a mystery.

I wonder what Maria Butina's salary was. Probably minimum wage.
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You know how Exile hasn't read the actual content of the Mueller report? Apparently Barr didn't either.

https://thehill.com/policy/national-sec ... 0t06nWQASY
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Xenophon wrote:I know you know this, just have to voice my frustration on this topic.

This is the thing I struggle with most, these days. It's one thing to have a difference of opinion. It's something else to have a difference of facts. I'm finding it very difficult to tolerate blatant, willful ignorance of facts.
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I view russiagate as an excuse hatched by Clinton to explain her loss. https://www.globalresearch.ca/breaking-clinton-insiders-reveal-blame-russia-plan-hatched-within-24-hours-of-election-loss/5589964

The Clinton campaign helped bring us Trump. So, maybe blame her as to why we have a clown as president. https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

There are many holes in the guciffer 2.0 story and the FBI didn't ever examine the DNC server. https://consortiumnews.com/2019/04/18/the-guccifer-2-0-gaps-in-muellers-full-report/

Also, why would a supposed spy be so public about the emails he/she stole and leave so many easy traces to russia? It seems a transparent frame job to me and Assange was never interviewed or even indicted for his apparent role in this. https://scotthorton.org/interviews/4-26-19-daniel-lazare-on-julian-assange-and-guccifer-2-0/
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So — Hillary invented Russiagate right after she lost even though, according to the articles you linked to, the DNC claimed that Russia hacked its servers five months before the election. Yeah, thst’s The ticket.
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Is Noam Chomsky right that we are focusing too much on the Mueller report and Russian interference in our electoral process, to the detriment of what most Americans are and should be most concerned about?

Noam Chomsky Calls Democrat Focus on Russia a ‘Huge Gift’ to Trump: ‘They May Have Handed Him the Next Election’

By Joe DePaoloApr 19th, 2019, 4:43 pm

Noam Chomsky, the noted progressive scholar, believes Democrats have focused far too much on Russia. And he thinks it might earn them four more years of President Donald Trump.

Speaking at a forum in Boston with Amy Goodman, Chomsky stated his view that he always believed there was going to be little to no proof of collusion in the Mueller Report.

“[T]he Democrats are helping him,” Chomsky said. “They are. Take the focus on Russia-gate. What’s that all about? I mean, it was pretty obvious at the beginning that you’re not going to find anything very serious about Russian interference in elections.”

He added, “As far as Trump collusion with the Russians, that was never going to amount to anything more than minor corruption, maybe building a Trump hotel in Red Square or something like that, but nothing of any significance.”

Chomsky went on to say that he believes focusing too heavily on Russia may cost Democrats dearly next November.


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Besides that, although there seems to be much in the Mueller report that is deeply concerning, I think that Trump's violations of the emoluments clause of the constitution and criminal charges being investigated by New York courts, if found to be true, are probably even more problematic for Trump than the conclusions of the Mueller Report. If impeachment is eventually decided upon, these things ought to be given at least as much prominence (and probably more) in the impeachment trial than Russian Collusion and the Mueller Report.
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