subgenius wrote:don't have to tell you anything, $1.2b in losses over 10 years and still more knowledgeable in business than you and a rightfully elected successful President says everything.
Apparently he’s not, given that he has lost more money in business than just about anyone.
But he has been successful at getting you to suck up to him while you pay to cover his arse through bankruptcy.
PT Barnum had a valid point, it would seem, and you demonstrate it well.
Yes, you are an apt object lesson - thanks for participating. But perhaps you could explain the relevance, meaning, or concern that Joe Citizen should have at this point over the OP....as in "so what?". $1.2b declared in losses over 10 years...means what exactly?
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subgenius wrote:So far we witness typical cursory business acumen by liberal posters. Exactly what is the point of the OP and what conclusion is being attempted?
Donald Trump started out with nearly half a billion dollars from his father and turned it into a billion dollar hole. What does your own business acumen tell you about Donald Trump losing more money than almost any other American taxpayer during that period? If you were a banker in 1995, would you want to loan money to Donald Trump? How did Donald Trump climb out of this hole? Did he do so by giving banks legal and proper representations of his worth during this period?
Stuff like that.
Again, how do you understand "declared losses" in the context of the OP? And likewise, in the context of legitimately achieving President status, enjoying significant financial success, and having a prominent "brand" how do you reasonably consider Trump a failure? Is he living in a cardboard box on the street? Is he in same circumstance as MC Hammer?
I mean, to date, you guys are just supporting Mencken's political hysteria claim....and stuff like that.
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MeDotOrg wrote:Donald Trump started out with nearly half a billion dollars from his father and turned it into a billion dollar hole. What does your own business acumen tell you about Donald Trump losing more money than almost any other American taxpayer during that period? If you were a banker in 1995, would you want to loan money to Donald Trump? How did Donald Trump climb out of this hole? Did he do so by giving banks legal and proper representations of his worth during this period?
Stuff like that.
Again, how do you understand "declared losses" in the context of the OP? And likewise, in the context of legitimately achieving President status, enjoying significant financial success, and having a prominent "brand" how do you reasonably consider Trump a failure? Is he living in a cardboard box on the street? Is he in same circumstance as MC Hammer?
Maybe your case for ‘success’ would be stronger if you could point to some business venture of Trump’s that demonstrated it, as opposed to merely retreating to the unfortunate fact that after being given approximately a half-billion dollars by his Daddy in real-estate related assets, he has seemingly not been able to improve on that, or prove that he has maintained even that level of wealth ... and this comes from after being subsidized by the taxpayers for over another billion dollars to keep his head above water.
So, yeah... that kind of performance - after that kind of head start - isn’t painting a picture of ‘success’, as opposed to merely managing to hold on to some level of family money after losing a shite-tonne of it on every venture he has laid hands on.
subgenius wrote:Again, how do you understand "declared losses" in the context of the OP? And likewise, in the context of legitimately achieving President status, enjoying significant financial success, and having a prominent "brand" how do you reasonably consider Trump a failure? Is he living in a cardboard box on the street? Is he in same circumstance as MC Hammer?
You don't really understand much of anything do you. Trump was able to con banks into supporting his endeavors and when they were failing and bleeding millions the banks decided to just keep giving him money and giving him second chance, then third chance, etc. Owing $20,000 is very different from owning hundreds of millions. Until Banks in this country red flagged him and refused to do business with him anymore. When you borrow $20,000 to buy a car and can't pay the bank will just repossess your car and get most of their money back within a month. When you are a billion in debt because of a casino the bank won't repossess the casino because it is worthless to them if it isn't making money. Their best chance to get their money back is to hope the current manager is able to turn things around. They needed Trump to keep trying to be successful at this crap but he never was. When you give someone hundreds of millions you're in it with them for the long haul. So after defrauding American banks for more than a decade he moved on to Deutschbank and the Russians to fund his narcissistic endeavors. Why these banks decided to do this is one of the mysteries of the universe, but the answer can't be good for Trump which is why he is trying to move heaven and earth to prevent the House Oversight committee from obtaining those records.
Meanwhile Trump's shill on the web are acting like he's a great businessman because he names himself the CEO on dozens of his shell companies no matter how little these companies make in revenue.
I think seeing the returns will show that Trump is a lot of hot air. He's a salesman, selling a caricature of himself and so I'm sure he is worth a lot less than he leads people to believe. Let's see the returns.
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Yep, the returns are what will change your mind...dude, bo matter what the returns show you will remain entrenched right where you are.
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Yep, the returns are what will change your mind...dude, bo matter what the returns show you will remain entrenched right where you are.
Yes, confirming that a scammy, tax-dodging business failure is an even bigger loser than first realized usually doesn’t cause a person to want to cast their vote for said scammer. That’s usually how it works.
I want the public to see his tax returns not because I think it will reveal some deep dark secret (we know enough about Trump to know he's a complete piece of crap).
I want the public to see his tax returns because it'll drive him nuts. Maybe, just maybe, he'll have a fatal heart attack, or an incapacitating stroke. Wouldn't that be wonderful?
We're already planning a Trump's Dead Party at our house. Oh, the celebration to be had.
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