Anti-Abortion Insanity

[_Res Ipsa]

I'm sure the 12 year old rape and/or incest victims will be happy to hear they have no choice either. Of course we want to protect life. Just not when you're a minor victim of rape.

Then, you can pretty much go pound salt, girl.

You should actually, first, be "sure" what the law is...there is a choice...have an abortion within about 6 weeks. Pretty sure 12 yo rape victims can manage that schedule....otherwise, the right to choose is the least of their worries.

*cough* Alabama *cough*

[_subgenius]

Oh, look. You couldn’t answer the question. I am so not surprised.

Nope, I answered the question.

Maybe you’d like to take another crack at it?

unnecessary, see response above.

While you’re at it, here are a couple more for you:

oh joy, more items to add to your list of logical fallacies.

1. Can you explain the biological or scientific reasoning behind why a heartbeat becomes your line in the sand?

not my line...im not an Alabama legislator. I suggest you read the law and annotations so that you can speak intelligently on the subject...go for the hair fire second.

2. Can you speak to which 100-percent accurate pregnancy tests that freshly-raped women can start using, and hopefully generating those accurate test results within enough time to schedule and have an abortion at one of the state’s three abortion facilities prior to hitting the six week deadline?

relevance? imaginary burdens and fantasy hypotheticals are not convincing for your position.

(I’m also kinda wondering what new state-mandated embryo testing will be implemented to make sure that our rape victim hasn’t hit Day 43 since impregnation to avoid legal peril, but maybe that can be a bonus question for you)

relevance?...and as if there werent enough glaring signals that you were uninformed on this matter, note that 6 weeks is a general time frame, could be less, could be more...its about the presence of a heartbeat. If it was based on the genesis of brain activity, you would still be eligible to be aborted.

Thanks; I eagerly await your answers to all three questions. I’ll go get a coffee while you work on that. K?

I must admit, im jealous of how much free time you have for coffee...most people get bogged down forming presuppositions and snark...but not you.

[_subgenius]

*cough* Alabama *cough*

ever visited? or lived there?

[_Res Ipsa]

*cough* Alabama *cough*

ever visited? or lived there?

Nope, but I read their statute.

[_canpakes]

Oh, look. You couldn’t answer the question. I am so not surprised.

Nope, I answered the question.

...

1. Can you explain the biological or scientific reasoning behind why a heartbeat becomes your line in the sand?

not my line...im not an Alabama legislator. I suggest you read the law and annotations so that you can speak intelligently on the subject...go for the hair fire second.
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Still not surprised that you are unable to explain why you believe that a raped woman should be forced to bring to term an egg within her that was fertilized by the rapist’s sperm. Nor can you point to the imaginary post where you claim you answered it.

Nor can you explain why the biological or scientific reasoning behind why a heartbeat becomes your line in the sand. But you’ll hide behind a claim that “the law” somehow incorporates your reasoning (and weren’t you the fellow last week complaining about folks not being able to form their own opinion?).

So, basically, this is another situation where you lack the balls to commit to either (1) an opinion, or (2) the thought behind it, or (3) simply lack the mental firepower to do so.

I guess that I should not expect much from a fellow who has a hard time comprehending how those crazy gentiles could possibly wrangle a coffee cup simultaneously with other activities. I imagine that if this is an issue for you, that you must have to remove your chewing gum to park it on the end of your nose when you dare use your keyboard. ; )

[_Jersey Girl]

*cough* Alabama *cough*

ever visited? or lived there?

I lived there a total of 8 years. Whether or not one has lived in or visited the state in question has not a damn thing to do with one's ability to read a law and determine it's benefits or pitfalls, it's merits or lack thereof. Again with the equivocation. I mean, blathering.

Exactly why no one takes you seriously. You're a troll who relies on misdirection as your primary tool.

Tool.

[_Chap]

It might be a good idea to get behind the talk of 'fetal heartbeat' to check out the relevant science.

For a start, there isn't actually a heart there when the so-called 'heartbeat' is first detectable ... nor is the embryo yet classified as a fetus ...


Is a 'Fetal Heartbeat' Really a Heartbeat at 6 Weeks?

So far this year, four U.S. states have passed laws banning abortions when a fetal heartbeat can be detected, at around six weeks of pregnancy; several additional states are also considering these so-called heartbeat bills.

But what exactly do we mean when we talk about a "fetal heartbeat" at six weeks of pregnancy? Although some people might picture a heart-shaped organ beating inside a fetus, this is not the case.

Rather, at six weeks of pregnancy, an ultrasound can detect "a little flutter in the area that will become the future heart of the baby," said Dr. Saima Aftab, medical director of the Fetal Care Center at Nicklaus Children's Hospital in Miami. This flutter happens because the group of cells that will become the future "pacemaker" of the heart gain the capacity to fire electrical signals, she said.

But the heart is far from fully formed at this stage, and the "beat" isn't audible; if doctors put a stethoscope up to a woman's belly this early on in her pregnancy, they would not hear a heartbeat, Aftab told Live Science. (What's more, it isn't until the eighth week of pregnancy that the baby is called a fetus; prior to that, it's still considered an embryo, according to the Cleveland Clinic.)

It's been only in the last few decades that doctors have even been able to detect this flutter at six weeks, thanks to the use of more-sophisticated ultrasound technologies, Aftab said. Previously, the technology wasn't advanced enough to detect the flutter that early on in pregnancy.

Although a lot of weight seems to be put on the detection of this flutter, "by no means does it translate to viability of the heart" or viability of the pregnancy, Aftab said.

The heart still has a lot of development to undergo before it is fully formed. Indeed, the entire first trimester of pregnancy is a time of "organogenesis," or the formation of organs, Aftab said.

After the detection of the flutter at six weeks, the heart muscle continues to develop over the next four to six weeks, undergoing the folding and bending that needs to happen for the heart to take its final shape, Aftab said.

"A lot of the heart development is still ongoing" during the first trimester, she said.

[_Goya]

[_canpakes]

It might be a good idea to get behind the talk of 'fetal heartbeat' to check out the relevant science.

For a start, there isn't actually a heart there when the so-called 'heartbeat' is first detectable ... nor is the embryo yet classified as a fetus ...


Is a 'Fetal Heartbeat' Really a Heartbeat at 6 Weeks?

It’s worth noting that certain types of heart cells ‘beat’ because that is what they’re engineered to do, and they’ll do this even if isolated from other cells. Place one on a slide and take a look at it under the microscope and you’ll see it doing its thing all by its lonesome self. As a measure of personhood, such a criteria fails miserably (not that subs would bother to read up on how such things work).

https://www.cellsalive.com/myocyte.htm

Also worth noting is that at the time that some embryonic heart cells may activate and begin to ‘beat’, the embryo does not quite possess anything yet that resembles a brain.

[_Gunnar]

blatant attempt at misdirection

I lived there a total of 8 years. Whether or not one has lived in or visited the state in question has not a damn thing to do with one's ability to read a law and determine it's benefits or pitfalls, it's merits or lack thereof. Again with the equivocation. I mean, blathering.

Exactly why no one takes you seriously. You're a troll who relies on misdirection as your primary tool.

Tool.

Yes, most of us have long known that about subgenius.