Trump says no legislation if investigation continues

[_Res Ipsa]

If I tell a story about my son, I don’t believe that waives the rule about family members.

[_Jersey Girl]

If I tell a story about my son, I don’t believe that waives the rule about family members.

I've got mixed feelings about that. I tend to think that whatever we put on the board is fair game. I did speak out over a recent incident though.

[_Kevin Graham]

It should not be restored. The fact that Ajax said he has a daughter, described his hopes for, and said he thinks she’s pretty, doesn’t give anyone license to demean her as part of an attack on Ajax.

Oh so now you're going to flat out lie knowing perfectly well the evidence has been removed so no one can verify? You're misrepresenting what both of us actually said and you fancy yourself as the one person here who knows integrity when it "bops him on the nose"?

Only a damned moron would read what I said about his daughter as "demeaning" to her. All I did was repeat precisely what ajax said about his own daughter. If I demeaned anyone it was ajax for being creepy about his own daughter and a hypocrite for applying a completely different standard to his own family than he does to the rest of the country.

Again, in ajax's universe ...

Americans who don't work for their own living = bad.
The "prettiest girl [he's] ever met" living off her daddy's inheritance = good.

Nothing wrong with pointing out the hypocrisy in this.

[_Kevin Graham]

I testify in the name of oxygen deprived high desert dwellers, that my friend KG did not post information from another source besides what my friend Ajax18 posted here.

If you don't want your kid to get dragged all over hell's acre here, it's best not to throw them on the table for someone else to pick clean.

I respectfully disagree. Nobody has the right to mock or demean Jersey Boy simply because you’ve talked about him here.

Repeating a lie over again won't help you make your case. I don't appreciate being lied about. I never once "demeaned" his daughter, so you can take your false hypothetical parallels and shove them up your ass. Respectfully.

[_Kevin Graham]

cough............cough

Yeah, that goes for you too. Half the forum already knows where the original information about you came from, and it sure as hell wasn't from me. Same is true for the private information on Doc.

And the Mods can verify this by simply scanning through the PMs I've received from those informants.

[_Res Ipsa]

No, Kevin. I did not wait until after the deletion to claim what you said violated the family member rule. My opinion was that what you said violated at a minimum the spirit of the rule. That’s not lying. That’s having a different opinion than Kevin Graham. If you want to see what misrepresenting someone’s words is like, compare the following:

What Res Ipsa said:

I don't think you'd recognize integrity if it bopped you on the nose.

What Kevin Graham said:

...you fancy yourself as the one person here who knows integrity when it "bops him on the nose"?

[_Res Ipsa]

If I tell a story about my son, I don’t believe that waives the rule about family members.

I've got mixed feelings about that. I tend to think that whatever we put on the board is fair game. I did speak out over a recent incident though.

Regardless of how any of us feels, the rules are clear. The family member rule contains no exception for family members of people who talked about them on the board.

[_honorentheos]

Hey Ajax,

I didn't want this to get buried.

Like it or not, that tax avoidance contributes to your tax obligation being what it is.

I think you have a point on this. Yet I think you'd also agree given that this trend hasn't stopped under Republican or Democratic administrations. Nobody has shown us they can make the uberich pay their taxes. They always seem to find a way out of it.

This is one of those issues that transcends politics or even national sovereignty. On the one hand, we live in a world where capital can move fairly easily across borders between countries, continents, and political regimes. On the other hand, the laws that control information around money/ownership are decidedly constrained by borders. This means a person or group who wishes to shelter money from the taxman has a market place of options from which to choose in regards to where they transfer that money and convert it into, say, a trust or property. But the government wishing to crack down on tax avoidance doesn't have access to the same freedom of movement or information, while doing so will signal to those operating in these capital markets they are no longer friendly places to the money movement game so the wealth goes elsewhere.

It doesn't necessarily matter if a Democrat or Republican is in office and tries to change things. The market is open to those with money seeking to offshore it and enjoy it's benefits outside of the regular, traceable global economy who can just find other places to do so. The mechanisms for this go back to the creation of the eurobond https://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/eurobond.asp and the globalization of capital it caused.

This makes for a weird issue in that the forces that are moving wealth away from the lower strata of society and accumulating it at the highest strata do not appear to be controllable by changing party control in any particular nation. We aren't going to change that much even if Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders becomes President and has a green revolution in the House and Senate. We may make new laws and really shake things up trying to get back to the high tax rates of the upper brackets that existed in 50's and 60's. But we can't recreate the same non-globalized capital conditions that constrained capital flight. One thing that has made the US a favorable place to put capital, even if taxed, is that it's relatively secure. Bad players in the US will be more likely found and punished than bad players in Brazil. But that isn't as much of a deterrent in the 21st C. There are options and when nations compete for dollars, the taxed citizens get to make up the difference. The super wealthy will find favorable nations to move their capital to where they can continue to enjoy it while everyone else loses. As I said before, its a form of the tragedy of the commons.

[_honorentheos]

Regardless of how any of us feels,...

...the world burns while we fiddle.

[_Jersey Girl]

I've got mixed feelings about that. I tend to think that whatever we put on the board is fair game. I did speak out over a recent incident though.

Regardless of how any of us feels, the rules are clear. The family member rule contains no exception for family members of people who talked about them on the board.

That's really true, RI.