Conservative on Republican Motivations

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Re: Conservative on Republican Motivations

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Res Ipsa wrote:The problem, Ajax, is that we aren’t at that day yet. Just as one example, country has a judicial system that, top to bottom, treats black folks different than it treats white folks.

This is a modern day myth founded in propaganda and anecdotal evidence. It also dismisses the fact that non-white people are integral parts of the judicial system - thus the implication is steeped in an assumed claim of racism that has not been proven to exist. It is absurd to assume that because "some lawyers are racist" then the judicial system is racist.

Res Ipsa wrote:Black folks substantially trail white folks in every way that we measure well being in this country, yet white folks like you act as if they have the best of everything.

Your latter claim may be true, but the former is arguable and relies on racism to hold true.

Res Ipsa wrote:When black folks were dying from heroin and crack in the inner cities, they received no sympathetic treatment.

Not true...well, maybe true on prouced television dramas - but actually no true in what we can agree is "reality".

Res Ipsa wrote: The answer was mass incarceration for even minor drug offenses.

This mass incarceration "for even minor drug offenses" was not exclusive to any skin color.

Res Ipsa wrote: But when the white rural population of the south gets hooked on opioids, why then it’s an emergency that we need to move heaven and earth to help those poor victims.

Um, are you suggesting that there was never alarms over the crack epidemic?

Res Ipsa wrote:The last 10 years have shown that there is still deep seated racism in the US.

No it has not. It has exposed that there are still racists in America and across the globe...with the depth of "seat" being difficult to measure.

Res Ipsa wrote: It has been nurtured and stoked by right wing media that portray black folks as people to be feared and to be the targets of anger.

Oh, here we go.


Res Ipsa wrote: State governments, and now the federal government, are taking active measures to suppress the votes of black and brown folks.

Support this claim without revealing it as being founded in your own racism...I dare ya....or lemme gues, your racism is shallow seated - or better, you are that one non-racist guy that exists among a 300 million person crowd of racists.

Res Ipsa wrote:So, we haven’t reached the day King dreamed of. Until you and your fellow compatriots stop practicing white identity politics and accept folks as full and equal citizens who belong here as much as white folk do, we’re never going to get there.

sez the guy practicing non-white (self loathing) politics.
But of course you do not believe MLK's dream is close to reality, because it would counter your political rally point. Gotta keep them coloreds scared and in need of a great (preferably old and rich) white protector - amiright?
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Re: Conservative on Republican Motivations

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EA, sure there are some folks on the left who misunderstand the concept of privilege and misapply it. But there is a cottage industry on the right that promotes this incorrect interpretation for the purpose of making folks like Ajax mad. Ajax doesn’t have interact with a smug, woke leftist. He has Hannity and Limbaugh and Breitbart et al telling him that when someone mentions white privilege they are telling him he should feel ashamed or guilty for being white and for the standard of living he has worked hard for. It’s a deliberate campaign on the right to misrepresent the meaning of the concept for the purpose of demonizing the left.
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Re: Conservative on Republican Motivations

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Congrats, Sub. You hit every trope in the racism denial category.
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The government response to the crack "epidemic" was largely punitive with a significant ratcheting up of the carceral state. Those suffering from crack addiction were often portrayed in the culture as menacing and morally bankrupt. Crack was treated much more harshly than chemically similar drugs as a result of the fear and contempt for those involved with it. This notoriously showed up in extremely unequal sentencing guideline differences between crack and powder cocaine violations. A lot of late 80's into early 90's moral panic seems hilariously quaint in retrospect, and crack addict portrayals eventually gave way to humor, but if you're not gainsaying reality, you remember when the cultural attitude was much harsher. The response to the opiod crisis has instead been much more treatment focused with those suffering from opioid addiction receiving a lot more humane, sympathetic cultural attention.

The optimistic reading of this shift is that we learned from previous drug panics and have just improved, but I share the widely discussed suspicion that it has a lot to do with underlying cultural attitudes towards the populations perceived as affected.
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Re: Conservative on Republican Motivations

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Res Ipsa wrote:EAllusion, sure there are some folks on the left who misunderstand the concept of privilege and misapply it. But there is a cottage industry on the right that promotes this incorrect interpretation for the purpose of making folks like Ajax mad. Ajax doesn’t have interact with a smug, woke leftist. He has Hannity and Limbaugh and Breitbart et al telling him that when someone mentions white privilege they are telling him he should feel ashamed or guilty for being white and for the standard of living he has worked hard for. It’s a deliberate campaign on the right to misrepresent the meaning of the concept for the purpose of demonizing the left.


I think the way this works is that some 19 year old is caught on camera saying they believe that white people should feel guilty for being white. Maybe they had a class recently, got things a little confused, and are excited to display their newfound, if misguided, moral righteousness. This is amplified as emblematic of what liberals think in sources like Brietbart that Ajax consumes voraciously.

Res Ipsa then comes along and tells Ajax that as a white person, he likely has enjoyed hidden social privileges that have given him unfair advantages over others, and he should be mindful of this when judging the circumstances of other people.

Ajax reads this, and thinks, "Omg! Res Ipsa is saying I should feel guilty for being white. White genocide!"
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Re: Conservative on Republican Motivations

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subgenius wrote:Support this claim without revealing it as being founded in your own racism...I dare ya....or lemme gues, your racism is shallow seated - or better, you are that one non-racist guy that exists among a 300 million person crowd of racists.


Republicans were just caught red-handed being deceptive about a creating a sham justification for changing the census when the underlying rationale was described internally as a means reduce the voting power of non-whites. If our country wasn't broken, that would be the scandal of the century.
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Re: Conservative on Republican Motivations

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LOL

After the OP, I didn't think this thread could get any more hilarious.... But, here we are!

LOL
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Re: Conservative on Republican Motivations

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Ceeboo wrote:LOL

After the OP, I didn't think this thread could get any more hilarious.... But, here we are!

LOL


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/30/us/c ... eller.html

Hilarious.
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Re: Conservative on Republican Motivations

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Ceeboo wrote:LOL

After the OP, I didn't think this thread could get any more hilarious.... But, here we are!

LOL


Hi Ceeboo. Nice to see you back. Would you mind specifying which parts of the thread you find hilarious?
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Re: Conservative on Republican Motivations

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EAllusion wrote:
subgenius wrote:Support this claim without revealing it as being founded in your own racism...I dare ya....or lemme gues, your racism is shallow seated - or better, you are that one non-racist guy that exists among a 300 million person crowd of racists.


Republicans were just caught red-handed being deceptive about a creating a sham justification for changing the census when the underlying rationale was described internally as a means reduce the voting power of non-whites. If our country wasn't broken, that would be the scandal of the century.

subs doesn’t read much. You’ll have to spoon-feed him the relevant passage so that he can pretend even harder that it doesn’t exist.

From the article:

Mr. Hofeller’s exhaustive analysis of Texas state legislative districts concluded that such maps “would be advantageous to Republicans and non-Hispanic whites,” and would dilute the political power of the state’s Hispanics.

The reason, he wrote, was that the maps would exclude traditionally Democratic Hispanics and their children from the population count.
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