A Living Wage, Please!

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Re: A Living Wage, Please!

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subgenius wrote:So what is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez talking about when she says a raise removes dark money?...why is she bringing up decreasing dark money at all in this context?
please, oh master of comprehension, give us some of your comprehending on this perplexing premise that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has so simply comprehended.


Because those most susceptible to legal bribery are those who need the money. Pay has been $174,000 per year for rank-and-file senators and representatives for the last decade.

Because when most of your income comes from the taxpayers, they're the ones you're most likely to answer to.

Kinda like the whole idea behind doing your job as a public servant.

When most of your income derives from special interests, then they're the ones who own you.

I often wonder how people can be so stupid about something so obvious and then I check out the articles they're reading over at Daily Caller and Town Hall. When you hear common sense facts with their spin, all you get is what they want you to believe.
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subgenius wrote:And there are cointless jobs across America that arguably are not adequately funded but that does not conclude with criminal activity nor does it justify criminal activity.


Holy crap you're dumb. Even after it has been explained to you like you were a five year old that this isn't criminal or illegal, you persist with it anyway. But yes, it is a fact that people who are underpaid tend to be those who commit crimes. You typically don't see hedge fund managers robbing liquor stores.
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subgenius wrote:
honorentheos wrote:Apparently comprehension isn't a big thing amount conservatives. But please show me where taking bribes was mentioned by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and not assumed by the twit.

So what is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez talking about when she says a raise removes dark money?

She's noting not including cost of living raises - for everyone - makes it more difficult to restore accountability and creating transparency in campaign contribution disclosures. You know, legal stuff that disenfranchises voters from their representatives. Which is not the same thing as taking bribes.
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Kevin Graham wrote:
You typically don't see hedge fund managers robbing liquor stores.


Nor do you see senators robbing liquor stores, they rob the taxpayers in more lucrative ways to steal, like taking monies for favor.

Hedge fund managers rob people through things like ponzi schemes.

In construction, the dishonest workers generally steal from the owner of the company by stealing material. Estimators and project managers, whom are dishonest, generally steal from the boss with cash kickbacks or other cleaver ways...I see it all the time. I was approached just last week by a sub that offered me a kick back if I told him what the low bid number was on a multi million dollar project was, so he could under cut them. I could have made 25k with a quick phone call.

The company I work for recently let a PM go, who was one of the highest paid persons in the company, after it was found out he had a small company on the side, and was buying materials for his personal projects and building a room addition on to his own home, and charging his time and material to company projects. Not to mention stolen hours, fuel, and other company resources that went to his side business.

We also had a purchase manager, that was buying material and equipment and putting them on Craig's list for sale....he went to prison.

I have let lower paid workers go for stealing small items like box of screws or a small tool over the years.

It is all relative. Dishonest people commit crimes, honest people don't...not matter what class they are in. If you pay them more it won't change that part of who they are.
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The entire idea the quote from the OP is about bribes originates from the twit who twitted the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez quote. Her point was about two things - everyone deserves a cost of living wage increase, and underpaying Congress works against the movement to make representatives accountable to their constituents rather than big campaign donors who can hide their identities behind legal constructs. Most of this thread is a sideshow.
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honorentheos wrote:...Her point was about two things - everyone deserves a cost of living wage increase,

Nope, her point was that she deserves a wage, and that this deserved wage should be linked to the alleged virtue of CoL increase....her point is that her current salary requires a CoL...your position supports the idea that any of the various targeted-for-hate CEOs also deserve a CoL.

... and underpaying Congress works against the movement to make representatives accountable to their constituents

first, underpaying Congress has not been established nor suggested. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez simply states that more is necessary to prevent dark money loopholes...and so far everyone seems to beleive that there is nothing wrong or illegal with those loopholes...so not sure what Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is talking about.

...rather than big campaign donors who can hide their identities behind legal constructs. Most of this thread is a sideshow.

huh?...and, huh?
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She says, explicitly, all workers deserve cost of living increases but all you can see is the twit's interpretation of it. It's like you have a beam in your eye getting in the way of your attempts to make out the shape of a mote you believe to be in the eye of another or something.

And everyone who speaks out against Citizens United has spoken up against said loopholes. Again, you don't seem to be seeing or comprehending the actual issues but are instead debating the twit's interpretation like it came from Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Typical mediocrity from you, subbie.
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https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/ ... rts-office

It helps to contextualize her comments, too. And by that I mean in the context of the views she expresses not the caricature of her that is presented in right-wing media sources.
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honorentheos wrote:https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-call-living-wage-starts-office

It helps to contextualize her comments, too. And by that I mean in the context of the views she expresses not the caricature of her that is presented in right-wing media sources.

talk about a sideshow, your link is out of context inasmuch as it is unrelated to the need for a salary raise for Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez or how Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's current salary requires some insinuation about dark money loopholes (a.k.a. elected official using a political boogeyman to achieve a self serving goal).
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Like I said, poor reading comprehension is apparently a prerequisite for being a conservative posting in this thread.

About midway through the link you'll run across a mention of a congressional committee is including a review of staff salaries and their effect on a functional Congress which hasn't been performed in 10 years. You'll note it has to do with many things mentioned in the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez quote in the OP even if it has nothing to do with the twit's response.

You could learn to actually read and understand what people say themselves and why rather than be spoon feed disinformation from right-wing propaganda sources. But who am I kidding?
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