Trump has corrupted the Government

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Re: Trump has corrupted the Government

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subgenius wrote:"noticed"?...could you be less ambiguous and provide a brief list of these "corruptions" so we can all assess the novelty of your proclamation?

Dear Moksha,

Please prove there are stars in the sky. We do not see these so-called "stars" in the sky here at Mole City Central.

Sincerely,
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Black Moclips wrote:That is why both sides continually put politics and their personal agendas ahead of everything and everyone else. Personally, I'm not ok with any of it.


What do you suggest be the best way to limit that corruption? Do you think Trump is worse then most when it comes to corruption?
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How about forcing the donor class to attach their names to whatever legislation they push? We could have the "defense authorization act" sponsored by Lockheed Martin and all the other defense contractors. We could have the "internet protection from wrong speech act" sponsored by Google, Facebook, and all the other mainstream media, right thinking companies. We could have the "monopolies aren't so bad act" sponsored by Warren Buffett and all the other billionaires. We could have the "no you can't act" sponsored by the DNC and the "only the proper people get into our country club act" sponsored by the RNC.

Sunshine seems to be a good disinfectant. Down with Citizen's United!
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Re: Trump has corrupted the Government

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See Moclips? Do you disagree with this assessment?

For the most part. There is a lot wrong with Trump, I'm not saying there isn't. But since he upsets the establishment (which I think is a big part of the problem) I like it when he blunders and drives the media and other political scumbags crazy.

But to say he has done the most of this or that or told the most lies blah blah blah, that's just useless analysis. All presidents and politicians flat out lie and deceive. By singling out and complaining about Trump as "the most" of this or that, just says how messed up we really are - because apparently, we are all okay with some level of lying and deception. But when it gets to some arbitrary amount or topic, panties start bunching. That's screwed up.

We are either okay with lies and deceptions, or we aren't. To argue some middle ground because the lies are only about war, or spousal infidelity, or Obamacare, or what happened on the tarmac, holds no credibility and doesn't allow you to take the moral high ground (I'm better than you because I only accept a half bucket of crap, whereas you accept a full bucket!) Trump has told lies, Obama told lies, Bush told lies, Clinton told lies, etc etc etc. You can justify the topic or the subject or minimize the impact of it. Whatever. It just proves that our politicians only care about money, power, and themselves. We should hate and oppose all liars and all deceivers.
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Black Moclips wrote:See Moclips? Do you disagree with this assessment?

For the most part. There is a lot wrong with Trump, I'm not saying there isn't. But since he upsets the establishment (which I think is a big part of the problem) I like it when he blunders and drives the media and other political scumbags crazy.

But to say he has done the most of this or that or told the most lies blah blah blah, that's just useless analysis. All presidents and politicians flat out lie and deceive. By singling out and complaining about Trump as "the most" of this or that, just says how messed up we really are - because apparently, we are all okay with some level of lying and deception. But when it gets to some arbitrary amount or topic, panties start bunching. That's screwed up.

We are either okay with lies and deceptions, or we aren't. To argue some middle ground because the lies are only about war, or spousal infidelity, or Obamacare, or what happened on the tarmac, holds no credibility and doesn't allow you to take the moral high ground (I'm better than you because I only accept a half bucket of crap, whereas you accept a full bucket!) Trump has told lies, Obama told lies, Bush told lies, Clinton told lies, etc etc etc. You can justify the topic or the subject or minimize the impact of it. Whatever. It just proves that our politicians only care about money, power, and themselves. We should hate and oppose all liars and all deceivers.

We’re right back to that same point you were painting earlier, that no-one has a right to take action now if they didn’t take action in every possible situation earlier.

And it’s convenient for you to pretend to assign the same level of moral outrage to anything that could be branded a lie, but it is far from realistic. Trump serving up fast food to a national championship team on the claim that they like fast food (as opposed to it merely being convenient and cheap for the White House) doesn’t quite carry the same weight as, say, Trump telling us that Iranians were slapping limpet mines on and sinking oil tankers in the Gulf as a pretense to launch a strike against Tehran, if the Iranians were actually doing no such thing. I really don’t think that you’d take the exact same amount of issue with both of those; neither would the same level of outrage be realistic or morally responsible - and you know that, too.
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Gunnar wrote:I have seen and heard speculation that if defeated in 2020's general election, Trump might, in order to prevent indictment and imprisonment for crimes he committed before his election, resign during the last month of his presidency, so that Pence will become interim President just long enough to pardon Trump for his crimes, before the newly elected president takes over. I wouldn't put it past him to do just that.

hey idiota, where did you hear this?
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subgenius wrote:
Gunnar wrote:I have seen and heard speculation that if defeated in 2020's general election, Trump might, in order to prevent indictment and imprisonment for crimes he committed before his election, resign during the last month of his presidency, so that Pence will become interim President just long enough to pardon Trump for his crimes, before the newly elected president takes over. I wouldn't put it past him to do just that.

hey idiota, where did you hear this?

You can certainly find sources for this speculation on Google. You know how to use Google, right?
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canpakes wrote:hey idiota, where did you hear this?

You can certainly find sources for this speculation on Google. You know how to use Google, right?[/quote]
not my burden to source the posters claim.
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subgenius wrote:not my burden to source the posters claim.

Well, now you know. You’re welcome.
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I didn't say we should ignore anything. I laughed at the proposition that its Trump who corrupted the government and the implication its the democrats that can save it. Both republicans and democrats have a long history of dirty politics and corruption. Apparently the hate for Trump has clouded your mind. Our politicians care about money and power and you and me and this country are a distant last place. That is why both sides continually put politics and their personal agendas ahead of everything and everyone else. Personally, I'm not ok with any of it.


One thing I've come to understand is what an awful President Mitt Romney would have been. A patient told Mitt couldn't care less about conservatives. I didn't believe it then. I do now.
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