Drawings by immigrant children

[_Markk]

How about you "p-hack" your best reference to support the above instead of perpetuating these "Nu uh!" responses?

LOL there are thousands coming in every day...are you kidding me?

Are you stating that everyone that comes into a detention center is sent home? Wake up. They are given a summons to appear before immigration judge...most just ignore the summons...that is why spokes holes state as a argument most people here came in legally, which is true...but they stay illegally.

I’m leaving to watch the Yesterday Movie...more later.

[_honorentheos]

Markk, all I'm asking is that you provide some backup for your positions that isn't just restating your belief or anecdotes you've heard. This -

A well coached immigrant, or a immigrant that actually needs asylum, can get into the US very easily based on our current laws

- is a statement that can be fact checked and defended. So. You know. p-hack if you must but try and make this more of a discussion with evidence. Support your views.

[_Jersey Girl]

THE FREAKING TOPIC IS ABOUT THE CHILDREN'S DRAWINGS. GET ON TOPIC.

Read your second post, you made it about Trump Jersey Girl. You used “the drawings” as an emotional, ignorant, media driven, argument that having Children in immigration seeking detention centers is his fault...when in fact it is a policy that has been around long before he was President. And you ignored the fact they are safer in a detention center than wandering in the desert, or in border town Mexico...heck, along with food, shelter, medical treatment, we also give them paper and crayons to draw with.

The articles pasted show the worst possible pic’s, they don’t show these folks getting food and medical treatment, and if not granted a temporary stay here, until their hearing, a free plane ride back to their country of origin...which is far more than most any other country would do.

Own your post ...why did you put the blame on Trump, for these “drawings” if it is just about the drawings? My opinion as to why is that you are sucked into a political agenda, and you can’t objectively see through that view and see that there are two sides to the issue...which the major issue is...do you want a open border, if not, what do you expect our government does with the hundreds of thousands of immigrants flooding a system that can’t handle it...?

Read the OP. Read the second post wherein I encouraged folks to view the drawings with their hearts and minds. With an offhand remark about Trump's lack of conscience in contrast to how normal human beings would view and consider the impact to the children. Are you familiar with the term 'contrast and compare'? Get someone to explain it to you.

If I wanted to make this about Trump, I would have mentioned the humanitarian aid bill he's attempting to forward.

And if you wanted to engage this topic instead of forwarding your partisan BS, so would have you.

You used “the drawings” as an emotional, ignorant, media driven, argument that having Children in immigration seeking detention centers is his fault

“F” your illiterate and dumb ass.


Own your post ...why did you put the blame on Trump, for these “drawings” if it is just about the drawings?

“F” your illiterate and dumb ass.

My opinion as to why is that you are sucked into a political agenda, and you can’t objectively see through that view

“F” your illiterate and dumb ass.


Read my posts. Respond to what I stated. Nowhere did I blame Trump for the drawings you illiterate “F”. Answer the questions that I posed to you.

There the group of words with the squiggly thing at the end. It looks like this: ?

My opinion as to why is that you are sucked into a political agenda,

And stop projecting while you're at it.

I'm the least political person in this forum with very little to contribute to political discussions and everyone knows it. My one and only interest is that the children's needs are being met and they are not. I've been a child advocate for most of my adult life, far more than my years in the field of child development. Political agenda? How damned goddamn dare you.

[_Jersey Girl]

Sorry Jersey Girl.

Do what you want. Thread's gone to crap.

[_ajax18]

What if the thread were about drawings of children of incarcerated parents? How does it effect children when our justice system rightfully sends parents to jail who are guilty of criminal behavior of any kind? Does enforcing laws other than immigration laws mean the attorney general or president at the time doesn't have a heart?

If my Dad robs a bank and gives me some of the money should I get to keep it since I didn't commit the robbery?

[_Jersey Girl]

What if the thread were about drawings of children of incarcerated parents?

What if you started a thread about that? The drawings are online. Just search for them and get a thread going. For information regarding children in that situation try youth.gov.

[_Markk]

Markk, all I'm asking is that you provide some backup for your positions that isn't just restating your belief or anecdotes you've heard. This -

A well coached immigrant, or a immigrant that actually needs asylum, can get into the US very easily based on our current laws

- is a statement that can be fact checked and defended. So. You know. p-hack if you must but try and make this more of a discussion with evidence. Support your views.

I guess you won't answer any of my questions...

Start here ...

Markk Wrote...."A well coached immigrant, or a immigrant that actually needs asylum, can get into the US very easily based on our current laws"

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refu ... lum/asylum

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil. ... ted-states

My nephew, who is a border patrol agent, told me there are two things that are critical for a immigrant seeking asylum...basically that they have "suffered" or have a "fear" of persecution or a present danger to their lives... as both of these links confirm.

His job was processing the first step...he asks basic questions, and starts the process. The best day he had, he said he processes 8 people. After he starts the paper work the person goes through numerous steps, and interviews. If, in the end, it is "thought" that there is ample grounds for asylum...then they are granted a future hearing for final judgment, and due to the mass influx, released on a promise they will appear.

On a side note...he is not necessarily a Trump fan, although conservative he mentioned he did not like the work load, and being over worked by his pushing the issue, but understands it. He was very critical of those that think they just separate families, he said it is just not true and they only do so if the parents have criminal records or other legal issues, and then they make every effort to release them to a family member...whether in the US, or their native country.


Now maybe you can go back and answer some of my questions .

[_Markk]

Read the OP. Read the second post wherein I encouraged folks to view the drawings with their hearts and minds. With an offhand remark about Trump's lack of conscience in contrast to how normal human beings would view and consider the impact to the children. Are you familiar with the term 'contrast and compare'? Get someone to explain it to you.

If I wanted to make this about Trump, I would have mentioned the humanitarian aid bill he's attempting to forward.

And if you wanted to engage this topic instead of forwarding your partisan ____, so would have you.

You used “the drawings” as an emotional, ignorant, media driven, argument that having Children in immigration seeking detention centers is his fault

____ your illiterate and dumb ass.


Own your post ...why did you put the blame on Trump, for these “drawings” if it is just about the drawings?

____ your illiterate and dumb ass.

My opinion as to why is that you are sucked into a political agenda, and you can’t objectively see through that view

____ your illiterate and dumb ass.


Read my posts. Respond to what I stated. Nowhere did I blame Trump for the drawings you illiterate ____. Answer the questions that I posed to you.

There the group of words with the squiggly thing at the end. It looks like this: ?

My opinion as to why is that you are sucked into a political agenda,

And stop projecting while you're at it.

I'm the least political person in this forum with very little to contribute to political discussions and everyone knows it. My one and only interest is that the children's needs are being met and they are not. I've been a child advocate for most of my adult life, far more than my years in the field of child development. Political agenda? How ____ goddamn dare you.

Read the thread, It is a political thread...and you started it. Like I wrote you a product of a agenda you buy without even looking into it. Now you are throwing a temper tantrum and you swearing is like Richie Cunningham say "Dammit"...it is funny in its self, but mostly a unreadable illogical rant.

Re-read the thread and see how political it is, because of what you wrote. Denying it is just silly. At lease be consistent with others that interpreted it the same way.

[_EAllusion]

What if the thread were about drawings of children of incarcerated parents? How does it effect children when our justice system rightfully sends parents to jail who are guilty of criminal behavior of any kind? Does enforcing laws other than immigration laws mean the attorney general or president at the time doesn't have a heart?

If my Dad robs a bank and gives me some of the money should I get to keep it since I didn't commit the robbery?

It does affect families negatively when parents are incarcerated, and we should think about that when deciding criminal penalties for things. This is one of the evils of making people spend years in prison because they had some marijuana on them. Sometimes the penalties for crimes harm society far more than the crimes themselves do.

If your Dad robs a bank and gives you the money, you should be compelled to give the money back. You shouldn't be thrown into a concentration camp for being the son of a robber. This should not have to be explained to you.

This has nothing to do with the topic at hand, though. We don't throw children in concentration camps to experience psychological torture when their parents are jailed. And if we did, we should stop that immediately. There is absolutely nothing about immigration law that requires us to throw migrants, especially minors, in internment camps. And not all of these children have parents who did anything criminally wrong under our already harsh treatment of immigrants. Seeking asylum is not a crime per se. You might want to make it one, but it isn't yet.

Your game here is so transparent. You want to portray rejection of the most draconian approaches to immigration possible as equivalent to an immigration free-for-all. It is not at all difficult to imagine you in the future arguing that failure to support executing migrants at the border as wanting "open borders." To the extent you win victories through seizing power, you want to portray any rejection of the government's status quo as ignoring the law while refusing to address whether the law is appropriate. Because you are so eager to do this, you end up using this approach on things that aren't even legally binding.

[_EAllusion]

How about you "p-hack" your best reference to support the above instead of perpetuating these "Nu uh!" responses?

LOL there are thousands coming in every day...are you kidding me?

Are you stating that everyone that comes into a detention center is sent home? Wake up. They are given a summons to appear before immigration judge...most just ignore the summons...that is why spokes holes state as a argument most people here came in legally, which is true...but they stay illegally.

I’m leaving to watch the Yesterday Movie...more later.

According to the DOJ, over 90% of asylum seekers attended their immigration hearings in person.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opin ... ourt-dates

The late Obama-era program that Trump derided as "catch and release" to make this process better had a 100% attendance rate:

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immig ... er-n885896

It had a 2% drop-out rate total. I'm not a professional mathematician, but that seems fewer than "most."