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Bach wrote:Pakes,

This response will assuredly be way over your batter level but: The number of prison posts attributed to me is driven solely by the bias of Shades and the ever “Unemployed EA”. Few if any ever violate the board rules here. But there is a huge bias against an educated entrepreneur who calls out the takers and fakers here. Free speech (and employment) is a quality not tolerated by EA here. I have relentlessly requested these two to explain most, of not all of their Bias over the years. Niether have the ability nor integrity to respond.

Just wanted to respond to your idiotic claim. Good news for you: this response will be buried, poisoned to prison, or anything they can do to address their lack of integrity as well. They really hate honesty here.

bach -

Nice try. But every post and thread that I’m referring to originates from you, does it not?

And, if those are just the ones that manage to make it to public view while scores of others go unpublished due to their whiny, accusatory and/or snowflaky content, then that only amplifies my point.

Have a great week -

-pakes-
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Bach wrote:an educated entrepreneur

Sorry, I must have missed something. Who are you talking about?
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Lemmie wrote:How about his 4th of July speech?


Here's a super awesome breakdown, by a teacher, on what went wrong with Trump's 4th of July speech and why Trump commits these kinds of errors when speaking:

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comme ... ntext=1000

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So I'm pretty sure I know exactly what happened here. I haven't seen anyone else post about this, but as a teacher who works with struggling readers, I know that highly literate people (including most general-level teachers) have a hard time understanding how someone like this approaches written text, since for many of us reading comes so naturally. From my perspective it's pretty easy to see why Trump said this weird thing, given what we know about him. We know:

Donald Trump does not read well. Like most of the students I work with, he avoids reading both because he wants to avoid being embarrassed, and because reading costs him a lot more mental energy than for proficient readers. We know from lots of different reports that his staff does not give him anything long or complex to read, because of this avoidance.

For this reason, when Trump does have to read something out loud, it is clear that he is not processing the meaning of what he is saying. For a struggling reader, all their concentration goes into pronouncing the words out loud, and simultaneously processing the meaning is very difficult. We see this when is giving a prepared speech and mispronounces a word in a way that makes no sense. A proficient reader would immediately stop and self-correct. Trump often doesn't, because he is not processing what he is saying. Other times I know I've heard him notice his mistake, but instead of correcting it, he covers it up with a bit of lame word-play, pretending that the mistake was intentional. I can't think of any specific examples of this, but I know I've heard him do it. (Edit) snatchi found some examples: "through their lives... and though their lives." "authority... and authoritarian powers." "They sacrifice every day for the furniture... and future of our children." It's Trump's go-to move when he misreads a word.

There are other times when he reacts to a line in his speech like he hasn't heard it before. He noticeably stops and inserts a comment of his own before going back to the reading. He does not know how to gracefully glide between reading and impromptu speaking, since reading is so unnatural for him.

Trump also has a relatively small vocabulary. Remember his remarks about "the oranges of the Mueller report." He was parroting something that he had heard before, but not having a firm grasp of the word "origins," he used a more familiar word instead, because that was how his mind remembered the word.

The speech he was giving made heavy use of language from "The Star Spangled Banner." For many struggling readers, this would be helpful, since it would rely on familiar chunks of language that would reduce the mental load of reading it. However, we've seen that Trump does not know the words to the anthem. He has tried and failed to sing along with it but couldn't fake it very well.

Keeping all that in mind, let's look at what he said:

Our army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do, and at Fort McHenry, under the rockets’ red glare, it had nothing but victory.


Based on my experience, here's what I think happened, step by step.

Our army manned the air


Here I think it's likely that Trump skipped a line on his teleprompter. The line was probably "manned the ramparts," and later on I'm guessing there was a reference to "bombs bursting in air." We all do this sometimes, but struggling readers do it a whole lot more. And furthermore, when a proficient reader makes this mistake they can quickly self-correct, but someone like Trump, who is not totally processing the meaning of what he is reading, can get totally derailed when they do this.

it rammed the ramparts


Trump seems to have noticed that "manned the air" was a mistake, and he went back to do the line over. But he got "manned" and "ramparts" mixed up, so it came out as "rammed." But he's immediately fallen into another pit: the word "ramparts." He doesn't know what it means. It's a very uncommon word that most Americans only know from this line in "The Star Spangled Banner." Trump, however, doesn't even know that, since he has never learned the words to the song. So I think that at this point, already a little flustered from covering up his last mistake, he thinks he has misread another word. "Ramparts?" I must have misread something, he thinks to himself.

it took over the airports


This is a repair strategy that Trump has used in the past. Mess up a word? Pretend it was the first in a sequence of rhyming or similar words and carry on from there. What's a word he knows that sounds like ramparts? Airports. And "air" was already on his mind from just before, when he accidentally read "manned the air." So they manned the ramparts, they took over the airports. He's hoping that nobody will notice. It's worked before.
it did everything it had to do


This sounds like an impromptu comment that he inserted into the written text. It uses the simple and non-specific language that he is known for in his impromptu speeches. The comment bought him a second where he could find his place after getting completely lost before.

and at Fort McHenry, under the rockets’ red glare, it had nothing but victory.


And now he's found his place again. He's back to the written speech that uses lines from "The Star Spangled Banner." He might not even realize how ridiculous his last few sentences have sounded, since again, he's not really able to process the meaning of what he is saying.

My kiddos who are in this situation have a hard time. I and their other teachers have to work really hard to help them learn strategies to overcome these difficulties with the way they process written text. It requires just as much hard work on the kids' part. I strongly suspect that Donald Trump never went through this process and remains in a not fully literate state. Usually we're afraid that someone who graduates with this level of reading ability will have very limited career prospects in the future.


Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:So, it's basically like Bach and Sugenius screwed, had a kid, it grew up, and then screwed Ajax and they had a kid. That kid is Trump.

- Doc

Like you said, awesome explanation, and it makes perfect sense. When one looks back on other odd things Trump has said, after reading that, the pattern becomes obvious.
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Kevin Graham wrote:
subgenius wrote:"Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go."
-- Barack Obama


https://Twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1 ... 2151959552

"Needless to say, there’s a huge difference between an isolated slip of the tongue and ceaseless, shameless, and witless prevarication on virtually all topics, large and small."

"When I meet with world leaders, what's striking -- whether it's in Europe or here in Asia..." -Obama referring to Hawaii as Asia while holding a press conference outside Honolulu, Nov. 16, 2011
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Kevin Graham wrote:
subgenius wrote:"Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go."
-- Barack Obama


https://Twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1 ... 2151959552

"Needless to say, there’s a huge difference between an isolated slip of the tongue and ceaseless, shameless, and witless prevarication on virtually all topics, large and small."

"We're the country that built the Intercontinental Railroad." —Obama, Cincinnati, OH, Sept.22, 2011
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Kevin Graham wrote:
subgenius wrote:"Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go."
-- Barack Obama


https://Twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1 ... 2151959552

"Needless to say, there’s a huge difference between an isolated slip of the tongue and ceaseless, shameless, and witless prevarication on virtually all topics, large and small."

I have been practicing...I bowled a 129. It's like -- it was like Special Olympics, or something." -- Obama on "The Tonight Show", March 19, 2009
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty
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Kevin Graham wrote:
subgenius wrote:"Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go."
-- Barack Obama


https://Twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1 ... 2151959552

"Needless to say, there’s a huge difference between an isolated slip of the tongue and ceaseless, shameless, and witless prevarication on virtually all topics, large and small."

"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong."

"Hold on one second, sweetie, we're going to do -- we'll do a press avail." --to a female reporter for ABC's Detroit affiliate who asked about his plan to help American autoworkers.

"There's a lot of -- I don't know what the term is in Austrian -- wheeling and dealing ... " Obama 2009 (Austrian ain't a language by the way)

"“On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes — and I see many of them in the audience here today.."

“In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed.” (Obama, Regarding a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people)

"Let me be absolutely clear. Israel is a strong friend of Israel’s.." - Obama

Obama Caught telling Russian leader, “Don’t worry, after I’m elected..."
...
Obama toasts the Queen of England while the Orchestra plays the UK’s national Anthem, “God Save The Queen
...
Obama Signs wrong year the London’s Westminster Abbey quest book. Off by 3 years.



but we get ya KG, youve just recently started paying attention to the world around you.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ...it grew up, and then ____ Ajax and they had a kid. That kid is Trump.

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Some from 2018:


"I think my positions are going to be what the people in this room come up with."

"Remember two things. Number one, I said, we're going to be saying Christmas again. And, number two, I said I was going to give you a Christmas present."

"I never did polling on that. I don't know if that's popular. I don't know if that's unpopular."

"We have the worst laws."

"I would give myself an A+."

"And nobody knows what a community college is."

"We're all fighting battles, but I love fighting these battles."

"He would stand up there before those crowds. And, by the way, without any musical instruments."

"You ever have second thoughts about something?"

"We have triumphed over evil like nobody has seen before."

"The past does not have to define the future."

"We will make America loving again. Love it. Love it."

"We got more money. We got more brains. We got better houses, apartments. We got nicer boats. We're smarter than they are. And they say, 'The elite.'"

"We're going to win at space."

"Great pillows. I actually use them, believe it or not."

"You know, I was dealt a lot of bad hands."

"I hold both countries responsible. I think that the United States has been foolish. I think we've all been foolish. ... And I think we're all to blame."

"That just shows when you get good ratings, you can say anything."

"We love winners. We love winners. Winners are winners."

"He may have had a bad past. Who knows, you know? He may have had some, I think, accusations made. Didn't he have a couple things in his past?"

"Even one of them recently said that President Trump made promises, but he's kept many more promises. I mean, far more than I made."

"And when you're talking about an atmosphere, oceans are very small. And it blows over and it sails over."
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My favorite howler from today:

"It's a thing called Article 2. Nobody ever mentions Article 2. It gives me all of these rights at a level that nobody has ever seen before."
​“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”

― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
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