Trump to Congresswomen: Go back to your own country!

[_honorentheos]

This isn't about hand wringing. It's about being clear-eyed and disciplined.

What does this entail in this context? Are you saying we shouldn't call out racism when it happens for fear of Trump voters?

I thought David Axelrod hit the right note.

"And, yes, it is important for us as a country to express our moral outrage about these tactics, but at some point, they have to be discussed as tactics."

As I said in my post before last, if we're going to look at 2018 for guidance, there is a very real need for Democrats to establish a "get things done" position to use in 2020. This outrageousness on Trump's part is certainly something to be spoken out against and, more importantly, considered as evidence for ongoing racial sentiment problems in the US. But it isn't governing. It isn't legislating. It isn't productive.

From the last line of my quote in the same post above:

And for a day at least, the Democrats were distracted from their plans to pass a positive agenda on issues like health care, education and climate change that preoccupy their voters.

[_Kevin Graham]

I get what you're saying about the constant distractions but I don't think our legislators are as distracted as the media is. The media covered the racist tweets for a day and they they covered the tweets again a second day because he doubled down and did a press conference. Then they covered the House Resolution to condemn the attacks. But I think you greatly overestimate the ability of his idiotic tweets to completely disrupt Congress.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I know it drives you absolutely nuts to even think racism actually exists, or that it should be an issue worth talking about, but that's just a reflection of who you are as a person.

Hey “F” knuckles:

And before anyone gets their panties in a bunch (from either side), here's a perfect example of real, systemic racism and privilege played out that's undeniable:

https://youtu.be/CE5o4JoyMkE

TL;DR - White guy using kitty litter to dehumidify his car in Houston is arrested and it's all cleared up shortly because he has money and connections. Black guy gets arrested for a similar thing and his life is ruined because he's poor and unconnected.

- Doc

[_honorentheos]

I get what you're saying about the constant distractions but I don't think our legislators are as distracted as the media is. The media covered the racist tweets for a day and they they covered the tweets again a second day because he doubled down and did a press conference. Then they covered the House Resolution to condemn the attacks. But I think you greatly overestimate the ability of his idiotic tweets to completely disrupt Congress.

What was the last meaningful substantive thread you started on the board that wasn't a reaction to something Trump said or did?

There is only so much oxygen available for public discourse. This sucked up a ton.

[Guest]

Political theater absolutely is effective at influencing not only campaigning (see the 2019 Democratic field), but was also responsible for Trump's meteoric rise to the Presidency. Trump is a reactionary response to the fear that the country is fundamentally changing. The Democrats are campaigning almost solely on reactions and emotions this year (disclaimer: I'm voting for Pete in the primaries if I get the chance).

A good portion of people on the Right (I wish it were just the fringe) earnestly believe(d) Obama to be a Socialist. Seeing a major political party campaign on a platform of universal basic income and free college is sending those people, as well as voters far more tethered to reality, into an absolute frenzy. As some have mentioned on this forum, the Overton window is being railroaded to the hard Left and being sold as normal or centrist. People who haven't drunk the Kool-Aid can see it for what it is.

Anyway. It’s essential for the continued functioning of the United States government that there is a place for Centrism. Compromise will not happen if all of our elected officials are far-left and far-right, alternatively. The acrimony will continue its upward trend without an end in sight. The frenzied blathering that KG routinely vomits all over this forum is indicative of the Left's insanity, and the abject stupidity, and I mean just dumb, god awful stupidity, that subgenius and ajax post here is indicative of the Right's radicalization. It's scary stuff, what's happening.

If Democrats end up deciding through voting processes that they want to become the Socialists everyone thinks they're becoming, then more power to them. Purity tests, as we see routinely lobbed at anyone who doesn't toe the party line, would force centrist Democrats to abandon their convictions in order to remain attractive to a relatively small and mouthy guard of Left-wing radicals who demand ideological compliance. We'll see how this strategy plays out in 2020, I suppose.

in my opinion, it’s ultimately in the best interest of the country to have political parties with a rich array of ideologies within them. However, in the medium to long-term, purity tests will exacerbate the ideological division and all but purge reasonable centrists from the political picture.

- Doc

[_canpakes]

Epstein is back in the news as a newly released video shows Trump and Epstein partying it up back in 1992 at Maralago. Remember, Trump said he was never a fan.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ta ... Iz6A_tCn8M

wrong thread, dipstick.
You obviously meant to post this on the thread titled -" Bill Clinton flies 26 times on Lolita Express but Trump talked to this guy 27 years ago".

No worries about that party timeline; Trump was still hanging with Epstein up to and past the point of any trips by Clinton. ; )

[_EAllusion]

Trump’s low points in his approvals since he became President were during the ACA fights, the government shutdown, and when he made his most overt racist comments. Charlottesville was terrible for Trump. “Actually, it’s good when the public focuses on Trump’s racism” is some galaxy brain stuff. Most people really don’t like it.

Rasmussen is not a particularly accurate polling outfit. They were not accurate in 2016 and their 2018 polls were an absolute joke. That said, Rasmussen has consistently had Trump in the 50% range in approvals. That’s not new.

[_canpakes]

So maybe now subgenius will wish to delete the post in which he included a meme which clearly attributed words to Omar which she clearly did not say.

If not, why not?

C’mon. You’re talkin’ about subs, here. Dishonesty is his thang. He wears that like a badge of honor; that post will remain forever, as proof.

I feel sad for his kids and his business associates.

[_EAllusion]

Looking it up, Rasmussen was off by 5 points in its 2016 poll. It showed Trump +2 when the real result was Clinton by 3. This was off by more than a lot of other polls and much further than the average of polls. Rasmussen is run by a Republican partisan and tends to have a strong Republican lean. The idea that its polls should be believed over all others because it is so accurate is just hack rhetoric from people interested in exploiting that lean.

[_Some Schmo]

I thought David Axelrod hit the right note.

"And, yes, it is important for us as a country to express our moral outrage about these tactics, but at some point, they have to be discussed as tactics."

That may be true for a lot of voters, but I'm sure there are plenty of independents like me for whom the biggest issue this election is the removal of Trump, and whether they are tactics or base asshole behavior is irrelevant.

Being on the fence about Trump at this point is not that far removed from being a full-on Trump supporter. Mincing words for their sake is foolish, in my opinion.