Following the uproar surrounding Trump’s comment, support for the president among Republicans rose by 5 percentage points to 72 percent
That's from Rasmussen. Or Reuters. Or whatever. It doesn't matter.
- Doc
That's a weird number. Trump's approvals among Republicans has consistently been in the high 80's to low 90's. 72% would be super-low against the known trend.
But sure. Cool. How did it play among non-Republicans, since non-Republicans make up around 75% of the electorate?
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
EAllusion wrote:... But sure. Cool. How did it play among non-Republicans, since non-Republicans make up around 75% of the electorate?
Ah, thought i caught a whiff of desperation...and lo, i found it here in your post.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
You got Google, knock yourself out (EA, since subgenius was posting and knocked this response down a bit). I was pointing to the Republicans upticking a bit with regard to Trump's popularity, despite saying overtly, in my opinion, anti-American things and acting like an utter disaster as a representative of 1/3 of our government.
This is problematic, perhaps, because as my party fractures in a race toward ideological purity, all Trump has to do in order to energize his base is point to the flag and state, "If you don't' like it, get the “F” out." Note he held a rally because he's feeling ballsy:
I'd like to see more messages coming from my side that are less, "Trump Bad!!" and more, "Here's why America is great, here's our plan, let's unify because this is the best Republic, evarrrh!" Maybe something like this:
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:You got Google, knock yourself out (EAllusion, since subgenius was posting and knocked this response down a bit). I was pointing to the Republicans upticking a bit with regard to Trump's popularity, despite saying overtly, in my opinion, anti-American things and acting like an utter disaster as a representative of 1/3 of our government.
This is problematic, perhaps, because as my party fractures in a race toward ideological purity, all Trump has to do in order to energize his base is point to the flag and state, "If you don't' like it, get the ____ out." Note he held a rally because he's feeling ballsy:
I'd like to see more messages coming from my side that are less, "Trump Bad!!" and more, "Here's why America is great, here's our plan, let's unify because this is the best Republic, evarrrh!" Maybe something like this:
The numbers you are citing don't make a lot of sense, so there is confusion there on some level. Trump's approvals among Republicans are much higher naturally than the number you said they climbed to. I have to assume what you are saying is true for sake of argument and not simply a misreading of what a poll means. It wouldn't be surprising if there was a small rally around the President effect among Republican partisans, so it's not too much trouble to just assume there was.
That doesn't mean saying racist things is a brilliant strategy. Non-Republicans exist. They are, in fact, the vast majority of people and the majority of voters. If their opinion is hurt more than Trump's gains among Republican partisans, the fact that his approvals improved among Republican partisans is meaningless. More than that, in your monomaniacal focus on not offending people sympathetic to racism who you presume having wavering support for Republicans, you seem to forget there are other people who might dislike the Democrats if they stayed silent while the President of the United States went on a dishonest, racist tirade against Democratic members of the House. It seems like you were convinced that "don't rile up the racists" was the best political strategy before you did any legwork in figuring out if that's even correct.
Again, Trump is hella unpopular compared to what he should be. There is literally no other known example of a President as unpopular as him in a peacetime prosperous economy. Negative messaging on Trump might be working, you know.
Oh boy. This is where it would be helpful if our domestic press could sack up and cover our own political developments like they do in foreign countries. Americans have a much easier time seeing this for what it means when it is happening in another nation.
EAllusion wrote:Trump's approvals among Republicans are much higher naturally than the number you said they climbed to.
I didn't say it. Not my poll. Reuters:
Trump's net approval with Republicans in the new poll, conducted online Monday and Tuesday by Reuters/Ipsos, rose 5 percentage points, to 72%, from a similar poll conducted last week.
I have to assume what you are saying is true for sake of argument and not simply a misreading of what a poll means.
Well, if I'm misreading it you can thank Business Insider and some other news orgs covering it.
It wouldn't be surprising if there was a small rally around the President effect among Republican partisans, so it's not too much trouble to just assume there was.
It seems like you were convinced that "don't rile up the racists" was the best political strategy before you did any legwork in figuring out if that's even correct.
Weird flex, but ok.
Again, Trump is hella unpopular compared to what he should be. There is literally no other known example of a President as unpopular as him in a peacetime prosperous economy. Negative messaging on Trump might be working, you know.
Cool monologue, and whatnot, but that literally wasn't what I was getting at which should've been obvious to the most basic readers. If you need a refresher just go back to page 6 and give it another try?
eta: If anyone is curious about where I was going with this line of reasoning, all you have to do is look at sub's Twitter posts to see it. It's genuinely concerning.
- Doc
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In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Maybe we need to have a adjective-free day. Terms such as "brilliant" or even "strategic" are getting tossed around and inserted where they weren't originally used, implied, or in the case of strategic, outright argued against.
If we get back to the original point, it was that it benefits Trump to make the Squad the face of the Democratic party over any of the Democratic Presidential field or the party leadership. That doesn't mean it turns him into a popular president. It means that is a much better comparison for him and the Republican party to contrast themselves with when it comes to potential Republican voters. The conservative airwaves are awash with the argument that the country is one election away from being turned into a socialist wasteland and that's a far easier case to make to voters who are susceptible to that message when it's presented with the more extreme statements from the most extreme ends of the party than it is even with Sanders or Warren as the face of the party.
Now, is it anything more than Trump throwing a rabid raccoon into the living rooms of America? I don't think so. But it's the kind of action he uses in his private world and in politics to keep people on their back foot. It's not genius. It's just as effective as people let it be. People like subbie like to pretend it's some kind of drunken monkey style politics. It's not. It just happens to work well in the world of social media and 24 hour news cycles. That a tree grows in the crack of a rock isn't evidence of the intelligence of some brilliant tree planting strategy. It's just that one seed happened to land where the conditions were ripe for it to take root and grow there.
The world is always full of the sound of waves..but who knows the heart of the sea, a hundred feet down? Who knows it's depth? ~ Eiji Yoshikawa
