Trump to Congresswomen: Go back to your own country!

[_honorentheos]

I sense you feel sore about something in this conversation. I don't see why. Trump said stuff, we talked about it, people disagreed, now it seems there is general agreement at least on the outlines as the matter is settling out. So. Cool.

[_Res Ipsa]

I sense you feel sore about something in this conversation. I don't see why. Trump said stuff, we talked about it, people disagreed, now it seems there is general agreement at least on the outlines as the matter is settling out. So. Cool.

Not sore at all, despite your inclination to return disagreement with insult. I was hoping for an explanation of how the tactic you strongly advocated would be effective, but it appears I’m not going to get one.

[_honorentheos]

It seems like being sore. And I wonder why?

[_ajax18]

Socialism, like capitalism, is only as good as the government implementing it and the citizens living up to it.

I actually tend to agree with that. Yet I still maintain that capitalism is a better system when one considers the moral level at which people currently are.

This is what I don't want and this is exactly what these people are trying to do. Whether it's the chosen government/economic system or just some characteristic of Latin American culture, I'd rather my country not be consumed by it.

[_Res Ipsa]

It seems like being sore. And I wonder why?

I also wonder why you want to claim I’m sore when I’ve just told you I’m not.

Look, if you don’t want to explain how or why you think think that your recommended tactic would be effective, that’s fine. Just say so. But attempting to derail the discussion by changing the subject is not something I would expect from you.

I’m happy to drop it and we can both have a pleasant evening.

[_Some Schmo]

Socialism, like capitalism, is only as good as the government implementing it and the citizens living up to it.

I actually tend to agree with that. Yet I still maintain that capitalism is a better system when one considers the moral level at which people currently are.

It really seems Republicans see the worst in people as a general rule. It explains so much.

Some countries make various forms of socialism work. Some don't. Blame the people and their economic circumstances, not the idea. If America is so great, we should be able to rock socialism, make it our bitch. But no. Not up for it.

by the way, I prefer capitalism too. You're crapping your pants over what these crazy "socialists" want: common programs other successful first world countries have. You must know this, but you're full of crap nature gets in the way of admitting it (I don't know why I give you the benefit of the doubt).

Instead, you repeat "Venezuela!!" like an idiot, thinking it has as much scare impact on others as it does on you.

[_honorentheos]

It seems like being sore. And I wonder why?

I also wonder why you want to claim I’m sore when I’ve just told you I’m not.

Look, if you don’t want to explain how or why you think think that your recommended tactic would be effective, that’s fine. Just say so. But attempting to derail the discussion by changing the subject is not something I would expect from you.

I’m happy to drop it and we can both have a pleasant evening.

The question read to me as very...odd. like asking how effective it is to correct an argument based on a false premise in an otherwise generic scenario. I'd argue that it will be pretty effective in most situations in shutting down or shifting the argument. I'd go so far as to say most people recognize that to the point one wouldn't ask it sincerely. So, seeking to understand what is being asked, yadda yadda yadda we end up at it seeming like you are sore. You say you aren't, fair enough. The answer is above then.

[_moksha]

It seemed critical to the rise and power of the Tea Party, which seems to have closed up shop under Trump’s reign even though some of their claimed core issues still exist, as strongly as ever.

I think their past rhetoric has been eclipsed now that their more primal and visceral urge for white nationalism has been allowed to express itself. Trump has made that mute tongue speak again, and is evidenced in the phrase "go back to where you came from", they've got a lot of babbling to catch up on.

You've got to give credit to Trump for recognizing the underlying theme of white nationalism within this large portion of the Republican Party and the utter lack of moral qualms in tapping into that ugly morass.

[_Res Ipsa]

Honor, the “effectiveness” we were talking about was not about shutting down someone in a conversation. It was about winning an election. You pointed me to a very specific example — it wasn’t a generic scenario. I looked at your example and didn’t see any reason to believe your technique caused anyone to change their vote. So I asked you how your tactic was effective. You changed the subject to question my sincerety.

You’re a smart, reasonable, interesting guy. But not thinking like you is not an indication of insincerity.

I’m still not sore. But I’m kind of disappointed.

[_honorentheos]

Ah. It seems I wasn't understanding you well while I'm not being clear myself. There were two parts to my thought. The first was about what I saw as general agreement on the best counter in terms of the election being Democrat action providing an alternative narrative. But the second point was more about the fact conservatives will be selling the Trump narrative. Most people who engage in political debates will run into it. And in my opinion it is most effectively countered by directly pointing it out for being what it is. I don't imagine that person will be persuadeable per see, but it seems that doesn't usually stop us from engaging such people.