DoubtingThomas wrote:Yes the Republicans are racists, but did you know there is more racism in Mexico?
So you're saying Mexico should pay for the wall?
No, but Trump was right about Mexicans (living in Mexico). However, illegal immigrants are good people, so it means Mexico is sending good people to the US.
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Perfume on my Mind wrote:Many Republicans hate being called racists. They want to be racist without being identified as such. Voting for Trump is supporting racism, whether you mean to or not.
And Democrats are sexists. Did you watch the Democratic debate on the gender pay gap? The real pay gap is that young women are making more than young men, but it seems many democrats want to make life harder for young men.
It's worth remembering that Trump's favorability among Republicans is historically high even while his polling among voters overall is average to poor depending on whatever he'd tweeted last. With his base, which is around 20 percent of voters, his approval ratings exceed even Ronald Reagan. There is a reason that a Republican Senator or Representative in a strong red district or state is not going to make waves with Trump.
The challenge for our politics is that our situation isn't too dissimilar to a group agreeing to play "Sport" and then going about using different rules with different objectives and means of scoring to engage in discussion. More than we realize, we're aligning ourselves with the chosen sport as much or more than with the policy positions and political outcomes they represent. For example, calling out someone as racist or sexist is a bases-clearing homerun as a political move the further left on the spectrum one resides. Everyone stops everything else they are doing to watch if the ball makes it over the fence and then scrabbles around accordingly. Al Franken was forced out almost before the ball had made it past the foul poles. But as you move right along the spectrum it stops being central to the game, to the point once one is effectively talking with self-identifying Republicans it ends up being seen as an attempt to disrupt the natural play of the game like a player flopping around in front of a ref attempting to draw a foul. And if the foul doesn't come, it's even more disruptive and considered poor sportsmanship if the person then intensifies the drama rather than just getting back to the game. To those playing on the left, it makes everyone on the right look like they condone racist behavior while to everyone on the right it seems like those on the left aren't willing to play the game probably because they can't win otherwise.
I don't know that this will change any time soon. But it would help to acknowledge that even if one believes the game they are playing is the best that using the rules of that game to explain other people's behavior who are playing a different game is it's own form of prejudicial thinking.
The world is always full of the sound of waves..but who knows the heart of the sea, a hundred feet down? Who knows it's depth? ~ Eiji Yoshikawa
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Fake news cuts both ways, and if we on the Left want to own the 'truth narrative' we better stop pulling this kind of crap. It's so blatant, and we've been doing this for 30+ years it's no wonder polarization is at an all time high. We should just be consistent, factual, and let the chips fall where they may.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
I think that at least part of the reason that Trump is polling higher among Republicans than previously is because of more moderate and better-informed Republicans having left the party in disgust because of Trump's excesses, leaving mostly his hard core base, who now constitute a higher percentage of the smaller number of total Republicans who still remain. I have met and talked to a number of former Republicans who left the party because of their disdain for Trump. Had I not already left that party more than a decade ago because of their increasing ignorance of and disdain for scientific reality, I certainly would have left it out of my disgust for its support for Trump, by a large margin, the worst, most ignorant and most corrupt President this country has ever had!
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison