Dayton Ohio Shooting

[_Jersey Girl]

I will say for my own part that I've long thought the "mental illness" defense was a red herring, but since it seems to be a popular talking point from the gun rights crowd, it might be good political strategy to counter that argument with one for universal health care.

I mean... if they're serious about the mental health thing being the cause. How else are we going to get these poor troubled folks to seek help? Are they just going to volunteer to pay for the care they probably don't think they need?

The moral of the story: We should have universal health care, and maybe we can talk some people into it this way.

I find myself agreeing with universal health care, even Medicare for all at this point. If you want additional private insurance, have at it. So far as I know M4A can coexist with private insurance. Perhaps the easiest and more seamless solution would be to reform and improve the ACA<----we need to stop referring to it as Obama care and let it come through as bipartisan.

I believe some of the Democrats who are saying that this country is in a chokehold on the part of insurance, pharma, etc. If you ask most any medical professional, I believe they'd tell you the same. I have personal accounts wherein you can see the influence of the pharmaceutical industry on our health care.

I think Tulsi called it "sick care". From where I sit, she's exactly right. She's not the only one to refer to it as such.

I don't think mental illness is the cause of these shootings. I do think it's presented itself as a significant factor in many of the mass shootings we've seen. We even saw it in a car running through a crowd of protestors in Charlottesville.

Take the mass shootings off the table for a second. Shouldn't we be alarmed by and address the rate of suicide in this country? Because there's the mental health piece again and it's there in our homeless population. These are just large groups of people, mental illness is there when you go into the office or your kids go to school every day. I guarantee you it is. It's in the board room, in the cubicles, it's in classroom seats and it's teaching the class.

This country does not do a good job of taking care of it's own. I like to think that our communities try their best to remedy situations but if we were good at it, our suicide rates would be lower, our homeless population reduced.

Guns and mental illness are just two pieces of this.

[_subgenius]

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The non-mentally ill are more prone to violence than the mentally ill are. Mass shooters are always or even typically mentally ill. It seems like a red herring to bring up.

There is so much "derp" to unpack in this statement...

[_subgenius]

Shooter killed his own sister. Age 22.

Clearly a need for more gun legislation and political solutions.

[_EAllusion]

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The non-mentally ill are more prone to violence than the mentally ill are. Mass shooters are always or even typically mentally ill. It seems like a red herring to bring up.

There is so much "derp" to unpack in this statement...

Yes, what do I know as a mental health professional who develops plans for aggression in the mentally ill.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I don't see why mental illness can't have gradations like regular illnesses. Someone, I'd presume, can be mentally ill and suffering from some variation of it, but can get better if they're treated. Conversely there are some forms of mental illness that are are untreatable beyond a hospice situation. We wouldn't treat the flu like we'd treat for cancer, no? When someone who commits a mass murder is deemed mentally fit, I can't help but feel like that assessment is dismissive of mental ailments, their causes, and their appropriate treatment.

- Doc

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I will say for my own part that I've long thought the "mental illness" defense was a red herring ...

This is a similar refrain I'd hear from Conservatives when Leftists would talk about the 'why' when terrorists attack. The terrorist, white incel, or minority gang banger require a certain amount of logic, deliberation, and planning when they decide to commit murder for whatever reason. I also believe they're mentally unwell people who feel alienated from the world.

- Doc

[_Jersey Girl]

I also believe they're mentally unwell people who feel alienated from the world.

- Doc

This.

You can say in one sentence what I struggle to say in several paragraphs.

[_Jersey Girl]

Shooter killed his own sister. Age 22.

Clearly a need for more gun legislation and political solutions.

You could make a serious and intellectual contribution here. You choose not to. Our people are slaughtering people and you shitpost about it like you're batting a volleyball over the net.

[_canpakes]

Clearly a need for more gun legislation and political solutions.

You could make a serious and intellectual contribution here. You choose not to. Our people are slaughtering people and you shitpost about it like you're batting a volleyball over the net.

I reckon his input here is more like watching a disoriented fellow who wandered on to the court and keeps muttering out random expletives as he occasionally gets smacked in the head with the ball.

[_MeDotOrg]

9 people killed, and police were on the scene within a minute of being called.

If the police were four minutes away, how many people would be dead?

Ban military assault weapons. Ban high capacity magazines. Universal background checks.