ajax18 wrote:Selling weapons is good for my family and by extension the US economy. That's what most of my tribe still does is build the best weapons. We just don't sell our best stuff.
So selling weapons to Saudi Arabia so they can further escalate the humanitarian atrocity they are perpetrating in Yemen is good for your family and the US economy? I don't believe that for a nanosecond. But even if were true that helping the Saudis to slaughter scores of thousands of innocent Yemeni people, including little children were somehow good for the US economy, it would still be outrageously immoral! How can anyone with even an ounce of moral fiber think it is alright to kill or support the killing many thousands, if not millions, of innocent people for economic gain? Is it because they are brown people instead of white people and brown people don't matter to you?
It is hard for me to imagine anything more depraved and evil than your rationalization for supporting this atrocity! As far as I am concerned, Trump's support for this atrocity and vetoing congressional legislation to end it is, by itself, more than enough justification to impeach him!
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ajax18 wrote:Selling weapons is good for my family and by extension the US economy. That's what most of my tribe still does is build the best weapons. We just don't sell our best stuff.
So selling weapons to Saudi Arabia so they can further escalate the humanitarian atrocity they are perpetrating in Yemen is good for your family and the US economy? I don't believe that for a nanosecond. But even if were true that helping the Saudis to slaughter scores of thousands of innocent Yemeni people, including little children were somehow good for the US economy, it would still be outrageously immoral! How can anyone with even an ounce of moral fiber think it is all right to kill or support the killing many thousands, if not millions, of innocent people for economic gain? Is it because they are brown people instead of white people and brown people don't matter to you?
It is hard for me to imagine anything more depraved and evil than your rationalization for supporting this atrocity! As far as I am concerned, Trump's support for this atrocity and vetoing congressional legislation to end it is, by itself, more than enough justification to impeach him!
Well you're probably right. It's probably not moral to sell those weapons if you know someone intends to use them improperly.
I'd like to stick to discussing the idea of trade deficits with honorentheos.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
ajax18 wrote:Well you're probably right. It's probably not moral to sell those weapons if you know someone intends to use them improperly.
Oh, well. Ho hum. *shrugs shoulders*
- Doc
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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
ajax18 wrote:Well you're probably right. It's probably not moral to sell those weapons if you know someone intends to use them improperly.
Oh, well. Ho hum. *shrugs shoulders*
- Doc
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And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
I don't know. If someone uses a gun improperly, more people live, especially if they hold it backwards, for instance, and shoot themselves first.
Kind of like the Darwin awards, where the reward is that you remove yourself from the gene pool.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
That's assuming they're not already a parent. If so, it's too late. They already peed in the gene pool.
Truer words were never spoken. Sometimes you really hit the nail on the head.
It's very disturbing and uncomfortable to me when I agree with you on something given we're such polar opposites. But I suppose even the devil has to mix in a little truth from time to time to make things believable.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
Seriously, how is selling weapons good for your family first, and then by extension good for the US economy? Or you meant simply that military industry is good for the economy and therefore good in general?
Well it's an export. It's something we make in America for which in return we get money into the pockets of US citizens who spend the money in the US. If I buy something from you with money I earned by doing a job which you probably paid for in Medicaid taxe, money is moving around the country, but it's still just a service and it's not adding money to the US economy since we're both US citizens. At least that's the way I understand it.
If all we do is buy things from China while selling much less in return, how do we not run out of money and find ourselves in debt to them?
Technically whether services that are exported contribute to the trade deficit or surplus depends on the metric one is using so that is a tangent issue. We are very much a service oriented economy so it's worth keeping those numbers in the accounting when looking at the bigger picture. But the underlying point is fair.
So, suppose we had another export than weapons that we could choose to research and export that would be exclusively produced in the US the same way we protect our military tech? Would you be supportive of that?
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