8 Years of suffering under Obama.

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EAllusion wrote:Trump wants what’s in Trump’s best interest. The idea that he is working on behalf of whites is the fundamental grift to provide cover for severe corruption. That’s why it is crucial to not confuse his racist acts with being a an advocate on behalf of whites. He’s picking Ajax’s pocket, who is happy to allow it so long as Trump punishes brown people.

I agree that Trump's primary motivation is whatever he perceives is in his own best interest, but I have no doubt that he deliberately capitalizes on his racist acts being perceived by white supremacists as advocacy on the behalf of whites.
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ajax18 wrote:Truer words were never spoken. Sometimes you really hit the nail on the head.

It's very disturbing and uncomfortable to me when I agree with you on something given we're such polar opposites. But I suppose even the devil has to mix in a little truth from time to time to make things believable.

You think I usually lie to you, ajax?

I don't get accused of lying much. Often people criticize me for not filtering what I think.
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So, suppose we had another export than weapons that we could choose to research and export that would be exclusively produced in the US the same way we protect our military tech? Would you be supportive of that?


Of course I would be supportive of that. Why would I not? Would we even have to impose protectionist policies to compete in the global market or is our labor just too expensive to compete at anything?
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ajax18 wrote:
So, suppose we had another export than weapons that we could choose to research and export that would be exclusively produced in the US the same way we protect our military tech? Would you be supportive of that?


Of course I would be supportive of that. Why would I not? Would we even have to impose protectionist policies to compete in the global market or is our labor just too expensive to compete at anything?

Well, one item Warren is proposing is an investment in green energy tech that essentially functions like our military investment: We'll sell to anyone but we protect the innovations we develop and manufacture in the US only.

https://www.axios.com/elizabeth-warren- ... 252ba.html
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honorentheos wrote:Well, one item Warren is proposing is an investment in green energy tech that essentially functions like our military investment: We'll sell to anyone but we protect the innovations we develop and manufacture in the US only.

https://www.axios.com/elizabeth-warren- ... 252ba.html

Yep, it doesn't get much more conservative than that.

This is the kind of thing that makes Warren a very attractive candidate to me.
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Perfume on my Mind wrote:
honorentheos wrote:Well, one item Warren is proposing is an investment in green energy tech that essentially functions like our military investment: We'll sell to anyone but we protect the innovations we develop and manufacture in the US only.

https://www.axios.com/elizabeth-warren- ... 252ba.html

Yep, it doesn't get much more conservative than that.

This is the kind of thing that makes Warren a very attractive candidate to me.


I wouldn't be disappointed if she got her way on this. But what are the chances of coming up with a green energy that could compete in the Chinese or even developing world market? Fossil fuels are hard to beat economically and I worry people in the developing world just wouldn't buy it.

Yep, it doesn't get much more conservative than that.


This seems more like Trump's protectionist policy on trade than previous classical conservative Republicans. Protectionism is something that even Bernie Sanders supports. It seems more of a case where me and Schmo become strange political bedfellows.
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ajax18 wrote:I wouldn't be disappointed if she got her way on this. But what are the chances of coming up with a green energy that could compete in the Chinese or even developing world market? Fossil fuels are hard to beat economically and I worry people in the developing world just wouldn't buy it.

Boy are you out of touch! The only reason fossil fuels are still competitive (if at all) is because they are so heavily subsidized by the government. Even so, renewable energy costs are rapidly declining, and are already lower than fossil fuel costs in many, if not most, cases. Remember this ironic story?
The Kentucky Coal Mining Museum in Benham, owned by Southeast Kentucky Community and Technical College, is switching to solar power to save money. The museum, which memorializes Kentucky's history in coal mining, is modernizing with a new form of cheaper energy.

Communications director Brandon Robinson told CNN affiliate WYMT that the project "will help save at least eight to ten thousand dollars, off the energy costs on this building alone."


Low Costs of Solar Power & Wind Power Crush Coal, Crush Nuclear, & Beat Natural Gas
1. Wind & Solar Are Cheaper (Without Subsidies) Than Dirty Energy

The first point is the very basic fact that new wind power and/or solar power plants are typically cheaper than new coal, natural gas, or nuclear power plants — even without any governmental support for solar or wind.

Not only are they typically cheaper — they’re much cheaper in many cases.

5. People Can Get Lower Prices But More Jobs With Solar & Wind

Whether American, British, Canadian, Australian, Indian, German, Dutch, French, Spanish, or [fill in the blank], solar and wind power don’t just mean lower prices — they also typically mean more jobs. Much of the price of dirty energy power plants is in the fossil fuel — the physical resource. When we buy that fuel, much of the money goes to the billionaires and multimillionaires who “own” the fuel — the coal mines and the natural gas wells.

Sunshine and wind, of course, are free, but distributed solar and wind power plants have to get built and installed — those are things humans do. When we pay for solar and wind power plants, we pay for human labor, and often help create or support local jobs.

We don’t actually have to choose between low prices or jobs or protecting our air, water, and climate — we get all of those things with renewable energy options like solar and wind energy.


As for people in the developing world not buying it, again you couldn't possibly be more wrong!

India Cancels Nearly 14 Gigawatts Of Proposed Coal Plants

Developing world invests more in renewable energy than rich countries for first time, new study says
Investment in renewable energy was higher in the world’s poorest countries than the richest ones for the first time last year, according to a major new report.
A total of about £196.5bn was spent renewable power and fuels globally in what was a record year for investment in the sector, according to the Renewables 2016 report by the Renewable Energy Policy Network for the 21st Century (Ren21).

But more than £107bn of that total, which doesn’t include large hydropower schemes and heating and cooling technologies, took place in developing countries such as China, India and Brazil.

And this was as of the year 2016, 3 years ago! Of course, the situation may have changed somewhat due to the election of Bolsonaro in Brazil, who is an even bigger idiot than Trump, including when it comes to his attitude towards climate change.
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Gunnar wrote:The incredible stupidity of Trump doubling down on the claim that China, and not American citizens and consumers and farmers and small businesses, will somehow pay the tariffs he is imposing, is mind boggling!


This just in, from Goldman Sachs:

Goldman Sachs said the cost of tariffs imposed by President Donald Trump last year against Chinese goods has fallen "entirely" on American businesses and households, with a greater impact on consumer prices than previously expected.

The bank said in a note that the trade war's impact on U.S. consumer prices is now higher than previously expected, partly because Chinese exporters have not lowered their prices to better compete in the US market.


Are we so much winning yet?
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