FOX NEWS is the MEDIA OUTLET FOR WHITE SUPREMACISM

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Re: FOX NEWS is the MEDIA OUTLET FOR WHITE SUPREMACISM

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Hi Perfume:

mikwut wrote:
A balancing is necessary of compassion against pragmatic utility. I don't think either particular side is completely devoid of valid points. Calling one sides rhetoric dog whistling racism is I think not helping and avoiding those valid issues.

If right wing pundits talked about it in the terms you've chosen in this post (reasonable), there wouldn't be the racism distraction. That would be awesome.


I am glad to have found some semblance of agreement.

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Hi E-

Far right material filters onto Fox News routinely. It's "researched" in the sense that there is a direct pipeline to Fox News content producers from far-right sources online. It seems to filter through a few go-betweens from sources like crazy message boards eventually into the teleprompters of on-air personalities. And it happens quickly. Fox News also has a variety of contributors who are straight-up white supremacists and are versed in the themes and jargon of modern white supremacist groups because they sympathize with their views. That's why white supremacist rhetoric ends up being shown on the station again and again.

Trump seems to both function as a source of inspiration for some of it and as an amplifier of it. It's been a year, but Trump echoing white nationalist talking points he heard on Tucker Carlson's white power hour about "white genocide" in South Africa come to mind as an example of how that works.


Sincere request here. The evidence for this is what exactly?

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Jersey Girl wrote:
Quasimodo wrote:
Maybe it would be best to have everyone who's lineage isn't originally from this continent go back to where they came from. Oh, wait...


Start with Trump and you got a deal Lucille. I'll be in Scotland using his blinking golf course.


:lol: Sounds good to me, but I don't think the Scots would take him. Nor the Germans. Maybe Putin and the Russians would, but I think they see him as a "Useful Idiot" right now. He has no value to them if he is not President of this country. Hey, lets just drop him off over the Mexican border and see how that goes.

I have happy visions of Donald running a taco stand in Tijuana.
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Quasimodo wrote:I have happy visions of Donald running a taco stand in Tijuana.


You win.
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mikwut wrote:Hi canpakes,

And so on. I don't see anything within that passage that doesn't harken to our worst tendencies. Do you?


Isn't that a not so trivial definition of politics per se?
Hi back, mikwut -

You're not responding to the question, rather, you are deflecting to a characterization that is not necessarily required. Consider that the source of that quote claims to speak apolitically, although I am not convinced.

I'd ask again - and would ask you to avoid applying conditions that were not part of the question - do you see this passage as something that repeatedly harkens to our worst tendencies?

Do you see it as responsible or problematic that a network 'news' station presents this as it's voice, to a vast audience, repeatedly during prime time hours?


I believe what is happening is both sides of the political fence do this.

This statement is generally used by folks who seem to sense that a problem indeed exists that they care not to acknowledge, for fear of conflicting with their political loyalties. I personally do not prefer to excuse this behavior from either side. But I'm also hard pressed to find comparable examples outside of this particular network's output. I'll take apple-to-apple examples, if you wish to present some.


If I refuse to take a case from a member of another ethnicity because I can't do the economics of the matter doesn't make me a white supremacist and just because the same issues are involved on a national scale doesn't change that either.

No part of the quoted passage spoke to 'economic realities' on an individual basis. However, I did see reference to an entire class of individuals being characterized as dirtier, or forcing the favored class to 'atone' as if to suggest a certain broad demand by the dirty invaders to take and redistribute the favored class's personal wealth unto themselves... perhaps because all of these dirty invaders want nothing more than to be welfare drains?


Calling one sides rhetoric dog whistling racism is I think not helping and avoiding those valid issues.

The true avoidance of valid issues is when one or another side chooses to eschew any or all rational, logical, reasonable or compassionate options in favor of painting an entire group of individuals as dirty invaders... and perhaps even choosing to fuel an entire Presidential campaign off of that characterization in the midst of rally rage promotion.

Sometimes, a person needs to call a spade a spade. This is one of those times. It is not the time to wring one's hands for show while equivocating how 'both sides do it', especially given that the history of the world is rife with examples of one side evolving to commit atrocities without a mythical 'other side' in balanced opposition doing the same.
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mikwut wrote:Hi E-

Far right material filters onto Fox News routinely. It's "researched" in the sense that there is a direct pipeline to Fox News content producers from far-right sources online. It seems to filter through a few go-betweens from sources like crazy message boards eventually into the teleprompters of on-air personalities. And it happens quickly. Fox News also has a variety of contributors who are straight-up white supremacists and are versed in the themes and jargon of modern white supremacist groups because they sympathize with their views. That's why white supremacist rhetoric ends up being shown on the station again and again.

Trump seems to both function as a source of inspiration for some of it and as an amplifier of it. It's been a year, but Trump echoing white nationalist talking points he heard on Tucker Carlson's white power hour about "white genocide" in South Africa come to mind as an example of how that works.


Sincere request here. The evidence for this is what exactly?

mikwut

mikwut, he gave a particularly noteworthy example at the end of his post.

ETA: here's more information on the evolution of this particular instance:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... -influence
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Hello canpakes,

I'd ask again - and would ask you to avoid applying conditions that were not part of the question - do you see this passage as something that repeatedly harkens to our worst tendencies?


If one approaches the passage from a already insisted on perspective yes. I also see it as open to alternative narratives as much as that might concern you. Where we probably have agreement is the media is responsible for great deal of division. I have said several times in my posts I abhor the wwe style media that cable news has brought about. But joining one side of that silliness is silliness.

This statement is generally used by folks who seem to sense that a problem indeed exists that they care not to acknowledge, for fear of conflicting with their political loyalties. I personally do not prefer to excuse this behavior from either side. But I'm also hard pressed to find comparable examples outside of this particular network's output. I'll take apple-to-apple examples, if you wish to present some.


Matt Tabbi is where I got the wwe analogy. I am excited for his book to be released.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTf4KHe-M8I

I'll get to the rest of your post tomorrow.

mikwut

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Jersey Girl wrote:
Quasimodo wrote:I have happy visions of Donald running a taco stand in Tijuana.


You win.


:lol: I won't win until it happens. I'm guessing there is zero chance of that.
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mikwut wrote:
Sincere request here. The evidence for this is what exactly?

mikwut



Serious question. Have you ever watched FOX News?

Let me simplify this. I spent the past couple of hours going over the manifesto and I pulled out some key excerpts that I knew for a fact were standard FOX News narratives. Let's go over some examples of what the El Paso shooter wrote in his manifesto expressing his concerns and reasons for his rampage.

Example #1:

"This attack is a response to the Hispanic invasion of Texas. They are the instigators, not me." - Patrick Wood Crusius

When news broke out of US citizens forming armed militias at the border, kidnapping and detaining immigrants, FOX News defended their actions as patriotic. One Business host described these criminals as "ordinary citizens [who] feel the need to step in" and they're just "trying to help out." - Charles Payne on FOX News Apr 23rd, 2019

As far as the "invasion" rhetoric is concerned, this is where FOX News went into overdrive. In 2019 alone, Fox News’ fearmongering about a migrant invasion prior to the El Paso massacre included:

Over 70 on-air references to an invasion of migrants

At least 55 clips of Trump calling the surge of migrants an invasion

24 references to an invasion on Fox & Friends, Fox & Friends First, and Fox & Friends Weekend, combined

21 uses of invasion rhetoric by hosts Tucker Carlson, Brian Kilmeade and Laura Ingraham. Carlson spoke of the United States being invaded on nine occasions, including stating, “This is an invasion, and it’s terrifying.” Fox & Friends host Kilmeade used the rhetoric on seven occasions, twice calling it a “flat-out invasion.” And Ingraham used invasion language five times, including during a segment with Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick.
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Example #2:

"I am simply defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an invasion." - Patrick Wood Crusius

This is a standard FOX News narrative and the examples are probably too many to count, but here are a couple of choice quotations:

"In Arizona, a majority of the grade school children now are Hispanic. That means Arizona’s future is as an Hispanic society. That means, in effect, the border has moved north, and the cultural transformation outweighs any economic benefits that that lady was talking about." Tucker Carlson Tonight" January 18, 2018.

“The white supremacists are American citizens. The illegal immigrants are people who shouldn't be here” - Mark Steyn on Fox News' "Tucker Carlson Tonight" January 18, 2018.

Example #3:

"The Democrat party will own America and they know it. They have already begun the transition by pandering heavily to the Hispanic voting bloc in the 1st Democratic Debate. They intend to use open borders, free healthcare for illegals, citizenship and more to enact a political coup by importing and then legalizing millions of new voters. With policies like these, the Hispanic support for Democrats will likely become nearly unanimous in the future. " - Patrick Wood Crusius

"To the Democratic Party, immigrants are just a means to an end, and of course the end is always the same -- power... The Democratic Party has decided they are the future for the left in the United States. The more of these people that can be brought in illegally as well as legally, the better it is for the Democratic Party because their goal is to transform the United States into a facsimile of California, so that any election is impossible from the standpoint of the right, for the standpoint of the Republican Party to win anything." - "Tucker Carlson Tonight," June 10, 2019

Example #4:

"Continued immigration will make one of the biggest issues of our time, automation, so much worse. Some sources say that in under two decades, half of American jobs will be lost to it. Of course some people will be retrained, but most will not. So it makes no sense to keep on letting millions of illegal or legal immigrants flood into the United States, and to keep the tens of millions that are already here. " - Patrick Wood Crusius

"America continues to welcome millions of low- skilled workers. What does that mean for American workers in the age of automation? Jobs are going away. What is everyone going to do in 20 years? " - Tucker Carlson (https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/tuck ... van-threat)


Example #5:

"I am honored to head the fight to reclaim my country from destruction... Hispanics will take control of the local and state government of my beloved Texas, changing policy to better suit their needs. They will turn Texas into an instrument of a political coup which will hasten the destruction of our country."- Patrick Wood Crusius

"The America we know and love doesn't exist anymore. Massive demographic changes have been foisted on the American people, and they are changes that none of us ever voted for, and most of us don't like ... this is related to both illegal and legal immigration" - Laura Ingraham

Fox's Brian Kilmeade fearmongers that immigration will “destroy the color of -- the culture of the country


Example #6:

"This will remove the threat of the Hispanic voting bloc which will make up for the loss of millions of baby boomers. " - Patrick Wood Crusius

"Mexico ... is routinely interfering in our elections by packing our electorate,” - Tucker Carlson

2016 would be “the last election that the Republicans can win.” Why? “[B]ecause you’re going to have people flowing across the border, you’re going to have illegal immigrants coming in and they’re going to be legalized and they’re going to be able to vote and once that all happens you can forget it.” - Donald Trump, Sept 2016


Example #7: on the threat of immigrant breeding out pacing whites.

"Invaders who also have close to the highest birthrate of all ethnicities in America. " - Patrick Wood Crusius

"White population aging rapidly in US, dying faster than babies are born" - Fox News Headline Article

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