FOX NEWS is the MEDIA OUTLET FOR WHITE SUPREMACISM

[_MeDotOrg]

I think some older White Americans are simply bewildered by the rate of change in the country. It is not the country where we grew up. And the rate of change accelerates. The country is slipping from their collective grasp, and they are fighting back to regain their position of first among equals.

People say they are afraid of losing their way of life, but what they are afraid of is a world where their way of life is not the dominant one.

The weirdest thing for me is the thread of thought that thinks this is a plan on the part of the Democrats to change the demographics of the country. The demographics of the country are changing with or without illegal immigration. The Chinese owners of restaurants and laundromats now send their children to college. White people talk about limiting the number of acceptances Asian applicants to the University of California admissions program. With or without illegal immigration, United States citizens who are people of color are ascending in our culture, and for a generation of White Americans who remember the country before the Civil Rights Act, it feels like 'their' country is being subsumed into the amorphous 'other' of non-white America.

We talk about 'Our Founding Fathers' a lot in this country, and I think some people take it nearly literally. There is a lineage, and immigrants are not part of that lineage. Assimilation is something that white people felt they controlled, and now it feels out of their control.

It's like the paintings of Jesus where he looks like he's from Norway instead of Israel. In our culture, God is always depicted as a white man with flowing white hair. The idea of God taking some form other than your white grandfather seems blasphemous in American White culture.

White Americans are losing the preeminence of their standing within the American culture, and for some it feels like the death of America.

[_Jersey Girl]

I read through your post. My instant reaction to the following.

People say they are afraid of losing their way of life, but what they are afraid of is a world where their way of life is not the dominant one.

But we stole it to the detriment of others.

White Americans are losing the preeminence of their standing within the American culture, and for some it feels like the death of America.

It feels like the birth of America to me. It feels like those who did without, who were marginalized, and who were brought here literally against their will could finally have a chance to feel free.

I think I fit into the category of people that you are referring to. Older white Americans. I think I have the mind or spirit of a child who believes that everyone can and deserves to be happy, safe and loved. And everything that goes wrong happens because they aren't. Don't believe me? Look at Trump. Half the world despises the man and the other half loves him because he's as screwed up as they are. Trump didn't create himself and neither did they.

Childhood was everything to me. I thought I was poor. Looking back, I was rich. As a child I recall hearing my father referring to the "jigaboos" in Newark. He worked with them and knew their families, and even though he used that term, I never heard or thought that he hated or despised them. He didn't use the word with malice. When he knew they needed something, he helped them out.

My mother never spoke that way, not ever. And, it was through her that I had an opportunity to know the women that she worked with. They were her good friends. White women, Asian, Black, and one woman in particular who made a strong impression on me. She was from Latvia, a refugee of war. Ma took me to her house once to do her hair. I was a cosmetology student at the time. Valva didn't like to venture out of the house much unless it was to work or for groceries. She was soft spoken and nervous. While I did her hair, she told stories of how she hid from Nazis. She served us baked potatoes for lunch. I loved those.

I was strongly influenced by people helping people. Wanting to know people and their stories is part of who I am.

So although I get what you're saying about the generation and even though I recall the turbulence of civil rights movement, the protests, the race riots and all. I don't think I ever bought into the white is right thing.

Humble beginnings and all that. People knowing people as people. The landscape of my background is filled with people of various ethnicities, religions, people who were impaired in some way or had hardships--alcoholics, addicts, unwed mothers, adulterers, abused and neglected children, interracial couples, unmarried couples, married couples, domestic violence in certain homes, disabled folks, folks with dementia, folks in trouble with the law, mentally ill--just full of imperfect people. One of them is me. I have relationships with some gay folks now. I'm learning about them. They got into my heart.

The only kind of person I don't know or knowingly have a relationship with is a murderer, but who knows. People don't tell me everything. I'm not aware of one. My father was incarcerated as a teen and then a young man. I didn't know about it until long after he died and I was married and gone. I don't think he killed anyone.

I don't know why some folks feel like they're "up here" and others are "down there". Insecurity? Fear? Ego? Someone taught them to think that way. It sickens me. I had some people treat me that way as a child. I know what it's like when people try to make you feel like you are less.

Tell you what, when your town burns down or is flooded to crap, everyone is on the same level and you better be digging each other out. We should be living that way every single day of our lives and I don't know why we can't.

I'm posting this. I don't care if it fits here.

[_EAllusion]

Hi E-

Far right material filters onto Fox News routinely. It's "researched" in the sense that there is a direct pipeline to Fox News content producers from far-right sources online. It seems to filter through a few go-betweens from sources like crazy message boards eventually into the teleprompters of on-air personalities. And it happens quickly. Fox News also has a variety of contributors who are straight-up white supremacists and are versed in the themes and jargon of modern white supremacist groups because they sympathize with their views. That's why white supremacist rhetoric ends up being shown on the station again and again.

Trump seems to both function as a source of inspiration for some of it and as an amplifier of it. It's been a year, but Trump echoing white nationalist talking points he heard on Tucker Carlson's white power hour about "white genocide" in South Africa come to mind as an example of how that works.

Sincere request here. The evidence for this is what exactly?

mikwut

White supremacist themes and jargon showing up on Fox News routinely. I believe examples of this are linked in this thread. There are extensive examples of propaganda first appearing in obscure online sources that within a matter of days end up on Fox News. I've read at least a few dozen instances of journalists tracing how they might start on /pol and make its way to Fox. If you want a recent example, think about the doctored video of Omar. Donald Trump routinely live-tweets Fox News as evidenced by the fact that his tweets can be frequently shown to echo exact content shown on Fox minutes before. It would not be an exaggeration to say that is the activity Trump has done as president that we have the most evidence for.

The example I referred to in my post, which drew in a fair amount of coverage at the time, was Trump's tweeting about the alleged killing and seizing of land of white farmers in South Africa. He did so minutes after a segment making the same claims appeared on Tucker Carlson's show. The claim itself was fictional, but is a frequent idea asserted in white supremacist circles in the context of the overarching "white genocide" narrative. The claim appeared on Carlson's show via a friendly, supportive interview with an apartheid apologist who is a reoccurring guest. Carlson's show is so filled to the brim with white supremacist content - a fact that white supremacists themselves recognize and love - that it would be ridiculous to write that example off as a one-off coincidence.

[_subgenius]

Serious question. Have you ever watched FOX News?

Let me simplify this. I spent the past couple of hours going over the manifesto and I pulled out some key excerpts that I knew for a fact were standard FOX News narratives. Let's go over some examples ....

Everyone here knows you watch more Fox News than anyone, and other than your solid status as a doxxer, we now have another example of you being a liar.
You did not "spend hours" going over the manifesto, you simply copy/paste your "excerpts" from your old faithful brainworm mediamatters.
Its called plagiarism and your doing it.

or is this article plagiarizing you?

[_canpakes]

Serious question. Have you ever watched FOX News?

Let me simplify this. I spent the past couple of hours going over the manifesto and I pulled out some key excerpts that I knew for a fact were standard FOX News narratives. Let's go over some examples ....

Everyone here knows you watch more Fox News than anyone, and other than your solid status as a doxxer, we now have another example of you being a liar.
You did not "spend hours" going over the manifesto, you simply copy/paste your "excerpts" from your old faithful brainworm mediamatters.
Its called plagiarism and your doing it.

or is this article plagiarizing you?

Well, you don’t appear to disagree with the conclusions, it would seem. : D

But the article that you posted isn’t KG’s text above, anyway. And repeating a properly attributed quote from a third party isn’t plagiarism.

[_subgenius]

Well, you don’t appear to disagree with the conclusions, it would seem. : D

But the article that you posted isn’t KG’s text above, anyway. And repeating a properly attributed quote from a third party isn’t plagiarism.

1. I didn't come across any "conclusions", KG (as usual) presuppositions and inflammatory rhetoric....and of course the usual lie...this lie being "the hour" spent with the manifesto (which resulted only him being able to copy/paste from other googled articles)
2. Plagiarism is simply putting someone's work forward as your own, which his post sets out in plain language...which is par for the course with the resident liar doxxer.

But that's cool, he could really use your help...all you need is some shiny armor.

[Guest]

Hi Kevin,

“The white supremacists are American citizens. The illegal immigrants are people who shouldn't be here” - Mark Steyn on Fox News' "Tucker Carlson Tonight" January 18, 2018.

I'll have more time today but this was the first clip I could find. Mark Steyn and Tucker Carlson are discussing a CNN clip of Chris Cuomo. Illegal immigration was the relevant discussion and Cuomo was defending against the idea that illegal immigrants are often illustrated as monsters by one side, but Cuomo seemingly brought white supremacy up out of no where saying it is the real problem. Steyn's quote wasn't defending white supremacists but pointing out that isn't relevant to the discussion. Cuomo had said they are the real monsters not illegal immigrants, Steyn even said that might be well and true but isn't relevant. They then discussed the cultural changes occurring in Sweden and compared that possibility to what is happening in Arizona and that is where you plucked Tucker's quote from. I don't buy this. It is perfectly reasonable for American citizens to fear great cultural change and to debate those fears openly and freely without the debate ending tactic of calling them white supremacists.

Why don't you address the real issues of is there negative consequences for our own school children citizenry when too many (of which we would need to define) immigrant children fill classrooms, both economically and educationally on our own citizens. That was the other point they both were making that our leaders should love, care and show most concern for their own citizens first.

And Chris Cuomo shouldn't get a pass either. If he is rightfully criticize the demonizing of illegal immigrants he should presented the whole complex issues that many are innocents looking for a better life, many are not. I don't know why a radical position has to be insisted on by both sides except for ratings and division.

mikwut

[_canpakes]

Well, you don’t appear to disagree with the conclusions, it would seem. : D

But the article that you posted isn’t KG’s text above, anyway. And repeating a properly attributed quote from a third party isn’t plagiarism.

1. I didn't come across any "conclusions", KG (as usual) presuppositions and inflammatory rhetoric....and of course the usual lie...this lie being "the hour" spent with the manifesto (which resulted only him being able to copy/paste from other googled articles)
2. Plagiarism is simply putting someone's work forward as your own, which his post sets out in plain language...which is par for the course with the resident liar doxxer.

But that's cool, he could really use your help...all you need is some shiny armor.

Hey, subs -

1. CFR that you know that Kevin took less than an hour to do whatever research he’s referring to.

2. CFR on the plagiarism - please point to the actual passages. You seem to be confusing third-party quotes with this, again. Bonus points if you can tell us if that diminishes the content itself.

3. CFR that you were ‘doxxed’ by KG. Bonus points if you can explain why this seems to be a preoccupation of yours, usually trotted out whenever your arguments on the topic of discussion begin to fall apart.

As noted prior, you still don’t seem to be disagreeing with the substance of KG’s post. You are in agreement with it?

[_mikwut]

E-

Ok. You know I've always respected your opinion. I am not as knowledgable on this particular issue and from my google search it looks like a lot of agreement is found your way. Let me look more into this to be more up to speed and then comment. I was disappointed in the clip Kevin quoted from above but I will give this one a real sincere look.

mikwut

[_ajax18]

Now, we're back to dealing with Native Americans again (we call them Mexicans these days).

If you want to give the country away so bad, why don't we start with your own house and 401k instead of mine. Your social security has already been spent so we won't ask for that. You have no Native American lineage so in your view you have no right to live here much less have any private property rights. Go back to England if they'll have you and make room for the Mexicans to take back the land which in your view rightfully belongs to them.