FOX NEWS is the MEDIA OUTLET FOR WHITE SUPREMACISM

[_ajax18]

Well it was written by slave owners, d__a__. According to Ajax and like-minded racists, racism doesn't even exist. If owning slaves doesn't amount to white supremacism, nothing else will.

I'm glad to see you've doubled down on this and it wasn't just Mark Levin making stuff up. The Democrat party honestly believes the Constitution to be a white supremacist document, a document Biden has sworn to uphold and protect as a senator of the United States. Did you know that some of the most brilliant people in history to which we owe much of the standard of living we've achieved in the west, Airstotle, Plato, Cicero, etc. were slave owners? Would it be fair to say that they were all white supremacists as well? Now Fox News is white supremacist. The more you keep beating this drum, you're going to make more people become more racist. I suppose that's really what you want but I must wonder if multiculturalist socialism is so great why would you have come back to Georgia after living in Brazil? What happens when the entire world is Brazil? Where will you go then?

Perhaps the Confederates had the proper interpretation of the constitution right all along.

[_MeDotOrg]

I read through your post. My instant reaction to the following.

People say they are afraid of losing their way of life, but what they are afraid of is a world where their way of life is not the dominant one.

But we stole it to the detriment of others.

White Americans are losing the preeminence of their standing within the American culture, and for some it feels like the death of America.

It feels like the birth of America to me. It feels like those who did without, who were marginalized, and who were brought here literally against their will could finally have a chance to feel free.

I think I fit into the category of people that you are referring to. Older white Americans. I think I have the mind or spirit of a child who believes that everyone can and deserves to be happy, safe and loved. And everything that goes wrong happens because they aren't. Don't believe me? Look at Trump. Half the world despises the man and the other half loves him because he's as screwed up as they are. Trump didn't create himself and neither did they.

Childhood was everything to me. I thought I was poor. Looking back, I was rich. As a child I recall hearing my father referring to the "jigaboos" in Newark. He worked with them and knew their families, and even though he used that term, I never heard or thought that he hated or despised them. He didn't use the word with malice. When he knew they needed something, he helped them out.

My mother never spoke that way, not ever. And, it was through her that I had an opportunity to know the women that she worked with. They were her good friends. White women, Asian, Black, and one woman in particular who made a strong impression on me. She was from Latvia, a refugee of war. Ma took me to her house once to do her hair. I was a cosmetology student at the time. Valva didn't like to venture out of the house much unless it was to work or for groceries. She was soft spoken and nervous. While I did her hair, she told stories of how she hid from Nazis. She served us baked potatoes for lunch. I loved those.

I was strongly influenced by people helping people. Wanting to know people and their stories is part of who I am.

So although I get what you're saying about the generation and even though I recall the turbulence of civil rights movement, the protests, the race riots and all. I don't think I ever bought into the white is right thing.

Humble beginnings and all that. People knowing people as people. The landscape of my background is filled with people of various ethnicities, religions, people who were impaired in some way or had hardships--alcoholics, addicts, unwed mothers, adulterers, abused and neglected children, interracial couples, unmarried couples, married couples, domestic violence in certain homes, disabled folks, folks with dementia, folks in trouble with the law, mentally ill--just full of imperfect people. One of them is me. I have relationships with some gay folks now. I'm learning about them. They got into my heart.

The only kind of person I don't know or knowingly have a relationship with is a murderer, but who knows. People don't tell me everything. I'm not aware of one. My father was incarcerated as a teen and then a young man. I didn't know about it until long after he died and I was married and gone. I don't think he killed anyone.

I don't know why some folks feel like they're "up here" and others are "down there". Insecurity? Fear? Ego? Someone taught them to think that way. It sickens me. I had some people treat me that way as a child. I know what it's like when people try to make you feel like you are less.

Tell you what, when your town burns down or is flooded to crap, everyone is on the same level and you better be digging each other out. We should be living that way every single day of our lives and I don't know why we can't.

I'm posting this. I don't care if it fits here.

I don't think we feel that differently. I am not saying I identify with those who feel that way. But I think it is helpful to try to understand motivation, because I think that makes communication possible. I grew up in the San Fernando Valley (north of Hollywood) in the 1950's. The valley was a white enclave. The only people of color I saw growing up were gardeners and domestics. But I think what I assimilated at the time was a kind of 'white man's burden' benevolent and paternalistic view of people of color. They were welcome to help us in our country. Nice, huh?

My own consciousness began to change in the 60's. I still remember the images of Sheriff Bull Connor's storm troopers attacking unarmed African Americans with clubs, German shepherds and water cannons. I remember the screaming white faces in Little Rock, when children went to integrated high schools under the protection of the National Guard. I was shocked by the hatred and animosity shown by Southern whites. Previously my attitude towards people of color was paternalistic, but there truly was not animosity. There was a universe of human beings with whom I rarely interacted. The civil rights movement changed my relationship with old White American paradigm.

When Tucker Carlson addresses his audience earnestly saying White Nationalism is a hoax, I don't what country he's talking about, but it sure ain't the good ol' US of A. That boy's bow tie is tied too tight. A lot of the history of this country was predicated on white nationalism.

[_Goya]

Goya
I do not intend to be critical but what is and from whom is your picture. I do not recognize it as Goya, perhaps maybe Courbet but I don't really think so. It does have a bit of 19th century realist style to it. Every time I see it I find myself thinking , Portrait of the Strangled Woman. ?

You're right on most counts, huckelberry. You've a good eye, much better than my own.

It is a Courbet and is probably originally a part of the Musée d'Orsay's L'Origine du monde (The Origin of the World); which, as you know, is a painting that would likely get me booted from the board. The model was almost certainly Joanna Hiffernan, who was at times Courbet's mistress.

The avatar was my own private joke because, with Blixa not posting, I thought I was pretty safe from any resident art historians. But since you're all so perspicacious, I guess I should have gone with some portion of an Egon Schiele cadaverous nude or a crop of Alice Neel's famous self-portrait.

Good job, Sir!





edit: And, yes, I did start out using a section of The Third of May 1808, when I started this sock.

[_EAllusion]

I'm glad to see you've doubled down on this and it wasn't just Mark Levin making stuff up. The Democrat party honestly believes the Constitution to be a white supremacist document...

Everyone with a modicum of education on the Constitution - for example having read it - understands that as it was initially written the Constitution was a white supremacist document. This isn't a "Democrat" thing. It is filled with compromises supporting the existence of chattel slavery of blacks for goodness sake. This includes considering slaves 3/5ths of a person for apportionment of representatives.

We had to amend that Constitution to fix this. American history is a story of expansion of rights and democratic participation, with notable setbacks, from its founding. Slavers and allies enamored with scientific racism and a desire to institute the legal superiority of what they considered to be "white" were a significant part of the founding coalition of the country. They were able to have their values reflected in the Constitution.

Did you know that some of the most brilliant people in history to which we owe much of the standard of living we've achieved in the west, Airstotle, Plato, Cicero, etc. were slave owners? Would it be fair to say that they were all white supremacists as well?

Lol. I wonder if anyone can think of any differences between slavery in antiquity and slavery in America in the late 1700's as it relates to race. There might be some clue there.

Perhaps the Confederates had the proper interpretation of the constitution right all along.

Neat trick to act like this is the first time you've had this thought.

The Confederates rebelled against our country because they saw the election of a free soiler to the Presidency with backing in Congress as writing on the wall that legal sanction of slavery going forward would be threatened. That fear was correct. That they should be afraid was not. Slavery was bad.

[_DarkHelmet]

The thing that really bothers me about it is that he mixes in this ____ with things that are probably true to how people feel. The average person isn't likely to put Russia or Nazis high on their list of concerns. But it's such an insane thing to say and a ____ up statement it's just...good Jesus.

For example -

"If you were to assemble a list, a hierarchy of concerns, of problems this country faces, where would white supremacy be on the list? Right up there with Russia, probably," Carlson said. "It's actually not a real problem in America. The combined membership of every white supremacist organization in this country, would they be able to fit inside a college football stadium?"

"This is a country where the average person is getting poorer, where the suicide rate is spiking. 'White supremacy, that’s the problem,'" Carlson said mockingly. "This is a hoax just like the Russia hoax. It’s a conspiracy theory used to divide the country and keep a hold on power."

It's this kind of spin that makes our current politics such a ____ show. It's dangerous, fueling serious problems by selling it as a binary either-or, and taking advantage of people's intuitions of what is affecting them in a way that seems like it's steering us off a cliff. And he has the audacity to even point out the problem of divisive media content driving a wedge in our politics for the very reasons his statement is so atrocious.

God, I hate Fox News.

You have to admit they are masters of propaganda. Fear is a strong emotion, and Fox News knows how to manipulate their viewers by making them afraid. Everything is a liberal conspiracy. Liberals want to destroy them, and the liberals are everywhere. Only Fox News can save them.

[_Some Schmo]

You have to admit they are masters of propaganda.

Hey, when that's all you do, you're bound to get good at it.

Yesterday I was imagining the idiot Carlson team sitting around brainstorming on how to talk about white supremacy.

"I know! Let's call it a hoax! They bought the 'Russia is a hoax' thing. Let's just call all phenomena we don't like a hoax!"

"Awesome. Write it down."

"Wait, don't we already call it fake news?"

"It's always good to have options..."

[_huckelberry]

Goya
I do not intend to be critical but what is and from whom is your picture. I do not recognize it as Goya, perhaps maybe Courbet but I don't really think so. It does have a bit of 19th century realist style to it. Every time I see it I find myself thinking , Portrait of the Strangled Woman. ?

You're right on most counts, huckelberry. You've a good eye, much better than my own.

It is a Courbet and is probably originally a part of the Musée d'Orsay's L'Origine du monde (The Origin of the World); which, as you know, is a painting that would likely get me booted from the board. The model was almost certainly Joanna Hiffernan, who was at times Courbet's mistress.

The avatar was my own private joke because, with Blixa not posting, I thought I was pretty safe from any resident art historians. But since you're all so perspicacious, I guess I should have gone with some portion of an Egon Schiele cadaverous nude or a crop of Alice Neel's famous self-portrait.

Good job, Sir!





edit: And, yes, I did start out using a section of The Third of May 1808, when I started this sock.

Goya, thanks for reply. If you are looking for cadaverous you could try Lucian Freud. Myself I have never seen Schiele's work as cadaverous. Perhaps not bubbly happy though.

[_Goya]

Goya, thanks for reply. If you are looking for cadaverous you could try Lucian Freud. Myself I have never seen Schiele's work as cadaverous. Perhaps not bubbly happy though.

Nice. You guessed it: Freud is my hero. If I could paint like him, I'd die happy.

[_subgenius]

It is a Courbet and is probably originally a part of the Musée d'Orsay's L'Origine du monde (The Origin of the World); ...

probably?
its highly unlikely that it is any presumed "other part".
But a nice detail for an avatar.

[_Gunnar]

I think some older White Americans are simply bewildered by the rate of change in the country. It is not the country where we grew up. And the rate of change accelerates. The country is slipping from their collective grasp, and they are fighting back to regain their position of first among equals.

People say they are afraid of losing their way of life, but what they are afraid of is a world where their way of life is not the dominant one.

The weirdest thing for me is the thread of thought that thinks this is a plan on the part of the Democrats to change the demographics of the country. The demographics of the country are changing with or without illegal immigration. The Chinese owners of restaurants and laundromats now send their children to college. White people talk about limiting the number of acceptances Asian applicants to the University of California admissions program. With or without illegal immigration, United States citizens who are people of color are ascending in our culture, and for a generation of White Americans who remember the country before the Civil Rights Act, it feels like 'their' country is being subsumed into the amorphous 'other' of non-white America.

We talk about 'Our Founding Fathers' a lot in this country, and I think some people take it nearly literally. There is a lineage, and immigrants are not part of that lineage. Assimilation is something that white people felt they controlled, and now it feels out of their control.

It's like the paintings of Jesus where he looks like he's from Norway instead of Israel. In our culture, God is always depicted as a white man with flowing white hair. The idea of God taking some form other than your white grandfather seems blasphemous in American White culture.

White Americans are losing the preeminence of their standing within the American culture, and for some it feels like the death of America.

As an older American myself, I am deeply dismayed by how many of my fellow older Americans seem to resent even changes that are clearly for the better. I am old enough to remember when racism and discrimination against others not like oneself were much more pervasive, or at least much more overt. I felt encouraged and cheered by the progress I perceived in improvement of acceptance of minorities and in getting along with each other. My old heart swelled with pride when we elected our first Black President, giving me hope that we had at last turned the corner to developing a more egalitarian, inclusive and more just society. Then along came Trump and severely damaged my hopes that my children would live in a more tolerant, just and safer society than ever before. I feel like crying when I observe what Trump is doing and saying and how successful his deliberately divisive, hateful and racist strategy is in reawakening the ugly, intolerant and racist streak in American society that I thought and hoped was still on the wane.