EAllusion wrote:Ceeboo is saying that intelligent design is obvious to point of self-evident and that it is rejected because people don't like the implication that it supports the existence of God.
That intelligent design is a pseudoscientific movement grounded in bad reasoning and mendacity escapes him.
Hmm ... 'obvious'. But the important thing for Ceeboo to realise is that not everything that is 'obvious' is true. And it can often be necessary to learn a lot of hard stuff before the 'obviousness' of an idea disappears. He has not pursued significant studies in the biological sciences, so he is stuck where he is. Let's illustrate his situation from a field with which most people are fairly familiar (or think they are).
Example: It is extremely obvious that the earth is flat. I mean. just look around you. Just try walking up or down a steep hill, and you will be able to see that the earth must be, broadly speaking, a level place. People who say that the earth is spherical are obviously wrong, because if that was the case people who lived on the other side would simply fall off once they let go of some object fixed to the surface.
Now please pause for a moment and realise that people who said that were not stupid. They were just talking obvious common sense. Before space travel, the evidence that earth was spherical was indirect, and depended on such matters as careful observation during significant sea or land voyages, and having records of such astronomical events as lunar eclipses observed from places a considerable distance east-west from one another.
Once it was acknowledged that the earth was spherical, it was still obvious that it could not have any significant movement, either in rotation on its axis or in orbit round any other body. I mean, think of the obvious consequences if it did. So when Copernicus proposed that the earth had both movements, many people preferred Tycho's later system, which had the same relative movements of the bodies of the solar system (and hence the same appearances), but left the earth at rest. It was not until Newton that the physics of the solar system was set out in a form that made it possible to understand clearly and fully how we could be comfortable living on the surface of a body that is both spinning on its axis and moving rapidly in space around the sun.
It is ONLY when you have studied the physics of Newton at something like a first year level in a good college that you really understand for yourself (with no need to trust the expertise of others) the reasoning that destroys the 'obviousness' of a stationary earth.
Similarly, it is ONLY when you have made significant studies in biology that you are in a position to really understand for yourself (with no need to trust the expertise of others) the reasoning that destroys the 'obviousness' of intelligent design as Ceeboo imagines it. The vast majority of those who have pursued such studies are agreed that, at best. intelligent design is far from obvious. Ceeboo's conviction to the contrary is mainly a sign of his ignorance of the relevant topics, added to his personal tastes and religious convictions.
So why don't we leave him where he is? After all, he only does this 'Scientists Who Doubt Darwin' schtick a couple of times a year. He really is getting far more attention than he deserves.