MDB Bible Study

[_Some Schmo]

Quite often these are the kind of people who you wouldn't want to ask to advise you on where you can get a decent pizza.

Religion... for when your own credibility just won't cut it.

[_canpakes]

Jesus completely removes all sin (The lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world) - Meaning, if anyone accepts this free gift of enormous and loving Grace, their sins are completely removed (taken away).

Note that the idea that one had better accept a 'free gift' or they're going to burn forever in the afterlife strikes some folks as not so 'free' of either conditions or threats from the giver.

[_Ceeboo]

Hey canpakes

Jesus completely removes all sin (The lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world) - Meaning, if anyone accepts this free gift of enormous and loving Grace, their sins are completely removed (taken away).

Note that the idea that one had better accept a 'free gift' or they're going to burn forever in the afterlife strikes some folks as not so 'free' of either conditions or threats from the giver.

I completely understand the offense. The Bible is offensive to the human mind, no question. While the Bible is the Good News entering a dark world (in my opinion), there is no doubt that when these two meet - It is a radical collision.

In addition, please understand that I have no idea concerning the final destination of anyone - Nor would I project my personal judgement on anyone (All I can do is read the Bible and do my best to understand what it says) - If Jesus is who he claims he was and if Jesus rose from the dead, then how anything strikes you, or me, seems to be exceedingly unimportant. The opposite is also true.

Thanks for joining the Bible study.

[_Ceeboo]

Hey again, honor

If you look into it, you'll find that not even the gospels can agree on who this Jesus was and what he was on about. And those are the books that made the cut into the orthodoxy, with edits, to form what you view to be a book about Jesus.

You could start with the second link I shared early that helps show an example of how we can't even find agreement on the central story - Christ's resurrection.

"If I look into it?"
Because I am trying to post about things that are found in the Bible (Bible study) - I will offer a short reply.

I think this is one of the misconceptions that many people have about Christians - That is, that none of us Christians have ever looked into things (authorship of the Bible, 400,000 variations, empty tomb, Jesus was a myth, borrowed from earlier pagans, Paul's religion, no resurrection, verses added later, the story of the adulterer, etc, etc, etc).

Please know that I am not suggesting that you, or anyone else, have to refrain from posting anything you want in the thread. All I am saying is that it was/is my hope/desire to do a MDB Bible study and I am trying to concentrate my posts on what is found in the Bible (I am not saying that anyone need to believe what is in the Bible)

[Guest]

That's cool because the other link is on just information found in the Bible. It just doesn't pick and choose so much as asks why the different authors align when Matthew and Luke had Mark to copy from and then really go off in different directions where Mark is silent. It also helps illuminate what those other two authors focused on for their own messages, too. You know, Bible study.

Here's that link again: viewtopic.php?f=1&p=970955

ETA: I should add I don't think one can generalize about people who fall under the umbrella term of Christian. Right here, I'm just taking with you.

[_Ceeboo]

Hey honor

That's cool because the other link is on just information found in the Bible. It just doesn't pick and choose so much as asks why the different authors align when Matthew and Luke had Mark to copy from and then really go off in different directions where Mark is silent. It also helps illuminate what those other two authors focused on for their own messages, too. You know, Bible study.

Here's that link again: viewtopic.php?f=1&p=970955

Ha! Understood!

What's your take on one of the things I have posted in the thread, like Isaiah 53 or Psalm22?

[_honorentheos]

You framed those scriptures as presaging the Messiah, believed to be Jesus, and noted that the scriptures speak of Jesus and his resurrection as the most important message. I posted that the subject isn't even clear when one focused specifically on the verses that tell us about the resurrection directly, let alone when one scouts for biblical foreshadowing in the Jewish Bible.

[_Ceeboo]

You framed those scriptures as presaging the Messiah, believed to be Jesus, and noted that the scriptures speak of Jesus and his resurrection as the most important message.

Forget how I "framed" them.

I posted that the subject isn't even clear when one focused specifically on the verses that tell us about the resurrection directly, let alone when one scouts for biblical foreshadowing in the Jewish Bible.

Fair enough - thanks for answering my question.

[_honorentheos]

Look Ceebs, if you asked a Jew what they thought, they'd tell you that Isaiah 53 isn't speaking of Jesus but of Isreal. And if one approaches it with that predetermined view, it would read that way you especially if you start in chapter 52 where it starts specifically telling the captive Israelites to remain clean and flee their captivity. The servant in those passages that is abused and looked down on by the mighty is meant to be captive Israel.

But if one goes hunting for scripture that sounds like it could be prefiguring Jesus one will find a few. Personally, I see it as a mirror of your own assumptions being reflected back at you. Is it historically justifiable? I don't think so. Does it REALLY match up detail for detail? Not really. It just sounds poetic as a metaphor for Christ being sacrificed for the good of all humankind if one takes it at a superficial level and runs with that preconception.

[_honorentheos]

You framed those scriptures as presaging the Messiah, believed to be Jesus, and noted that the scriptures speak of Jesus and his resurrection as the most important message.

Forget how I "framed" them.

How you framed them is the point of this Bible study.