FOX NEWS is the MEDIA OUTLET FOR WHITE SUPREMACISM

[_mikwut]

Canpakes,

I am not calling her a white supremacist, that is and only is what I defended Trump regarding. I made clear I didn't vote for him, I am not voting for him. I argued the racist yelling doesn't accomplish anything and in facts harms us legislatively and even risks Trump's re-election.

Respecting Warren I spoke about her honesty troubling me when I like her policies. They are stand alone issues and arguments.

She screwed up by placing the American Indian card all they way to calling her bluff between ethnicity and affiliation. I have post clear evidence that it was much more probable that she knew this difference long, long ago regardless of mama and papa dinner stories and cheekbones. Your not looking unbiasedly if you can't read my above post and get it.

mikwt

[_EAllusion]

For someone who throws the word racist around like a frisbee you should be a little more perceptive. Her family stories yarn is well understood and publicized. Her honesty to those that understand her whole decades of clueless when she had no business being clueless is a little more suspect.

I have a law degree. Indian law runs through almost all areas of law and when you become a professor in commercial law and consumer protection you can't avoid it. It removes cases in criminal law, it enhances punishment and punitive damages in other areas and both of those are different one is blood the other affiliation, and this certainly isn't all just two basic examples. She had of taught students they could have ethical problems if they don't ask about affiliation in order to properly represent clients. She would have shown them where to look it up if a client says they do have. She knows.

She claimed Native American heritage, not tribal affiliation. Lots of people take pride in being "part Indian" based on family lore of Native American ancestry who are not actually Native American. It's very common. People shouldn't do it, but when people do they don't necessarily know better.

Basic to any Indian law is tribal affiliation. In her own video she made in attempt to meet Trump's $1M charity challenge she even admitted that she knew the difference between affiliation and ethnicity. The admittance opens the floodgates to her education on the very stunt she was pulling.

She was trying to meet Trump's "challenge" based on on ethnicity. Are you not aware what happened? It was stupid of her to do, because it was a bad faith challenge to begin with and utterly irrelevant while insulting to what actual Native American standing looks like.

The cheekbones trope she tried pulling would be a front and center for you against Trump if that was on the other foot and racist with capital letters would be yelled. Are you going to defend someone as not anti-semitic who says Jews control Hollywood as a part of a plan to control you and the world and they have big noses.

For one, based on your impossible standards of racism, you cannot claim that saying, "Jews control Hollywood and have big noses" is racist. You have this weird double standard where absolute radical skepticism in racism is your position when it comes to literal white supremacists associated Republican power, but "sure, that's racist" is fine when directed at other groups for not nearly as serious things. So if a person calls for a "final solution" for Muslims, describes migrants as cockroaches that should be repelled by gunboats, refers to blacks as jigga-boo, and promotes racist conspiracy theory theories, your position is they can't be called racist. Yet when Elizabeth Warren thinks that "high cheekbones" is evidence of Native American ethnicity, you switch into woke mode.

Second, Warren's "high cheekbone" comments from the 80's are classic racism in the sense of a minor racial prejudice. It's of the basic, naïve grandma sort, but still a minor form of racism. It's drastically less serious than promoting ur-conspiracy behind Naziism to stoke racial tension for an authoritarian government, but your schtick here seems to collapse any meaningful differences. You give a nod to, "sure, Trump is worse" then proceed to drastically undersell the difference between vicious racism and problematic ideas about Native American heritage.

I believe her politics and positions received the old false authority enhancement and virtue signaled, "as a woman of Native American ancestry" trope.

The heck? Her actual political career has avoided reliance on claims of being a Native American and has dogged her before she had run for any office. Honestly, this seems made up by you.

Why don't you give Trump his family history and culture defenses to how clumsy he is with his language and thought? I just find it face palming from both of them.

Good lord look at this false equivalence. "Clumsy" is a heck of a way to describe calling Mexican immigrants mostly drug dealers and rapists who are invading and infesting the country. Whopsie.

And before you get in a tizzy and start typing, sure Trump is worse.

Saying this doesn't stop it from being false equivalence.

[_Kevin Graham]

She claimed Native American heritage, not tribal affiliation. Lots of people take pride in being "part Indian" based on family lore of Native American ancestry who are not actually Native American. It's very common. People shouldn't do it, but when people do they don't necessarily know better.

I spent most of my life saying I had Indian blood and no one believed me until they saw my Mom, my brother and sister. My Mom's grandfather was apparently married to a full Cherokee. I remember seeing an old black and white photo. She wasn't wearing a headdress or anything but she looked very dark and very indian to me. Me and my siblings in later years started to show well defined high cheek bones which family members always attributed to the Indian blood. But my Dad was Scott-Irish so I got his light eyes and light hair. My brother and sister on the other hand always had dark eyes, dark hair and tanned really easily. When we lived in Germany I was 4-7 years old and my Mom had long straight hair that dropped below her butt. Everyone always said she looked like Crystal Gayle or some Indian name as a joke. Here we are back in 1978:



Here is my brother at age 18 while I was the pale chubby faced kid with freckles and light green eyes. Now be honest, do you think he could pass for maybe one quarter Indian?



I did Ancestry.com and turns out I have 2% Native American in me. Not much at all from a percentage standpoint, but I've been saying I have Indian in me the same as Warren, so I don't fault her for that. Its not like either of us is bragging or intentionally lying. Its just what we were always told growing up.

[_canpakes]

Canpakes,

I am not calling her a white supremacist, that is and only is what I defended Trump regarding. I made clear I didn't vote for him, I am not voting for him. I argued the racist yelling doesn't accomplish anything and in facts harms us legislatively and even risks Trump's re-election.

Respecting Warren I spoke about her honesty troubling me when I like her policies. They are stand alone issues and arguments.

She screwed up by placing the American Indian card all they way to calling her bluff between ethnicity and affiliation. I have post clear evidence that it was much more probable that she knew this difference long, long ago regardless of mama and papa dinner stories and cheekbones. Your not looking unbiasedly if you can't read my above post and get it.

mikwt

The first part of your reply must be addressing someone else's comment, so I'll move on to the second part above.

In your previous post, you said: "She screwed up. It needs to be accounted for".

How does that 'accounting' happen?

Again, I'm genuinely interested in what form this application of required justice for Warren's transgression will take.

Otherwise, what you're doing here isn't unlike listening to folks shout, "Lock her up!!1!", about Clinton, at Trump rallies - without having any idea of what we'd need to lock Clinton up for. This shout becomes merely a substitute for clear thinking, and an excuse for irrational conclusions.

You believe that Warren needs to atone for her claim of possible partial Native American ancestry - a claim that is not the same as tribal affiliation, yet one that is ambiguously confirmed by DNA testing as much as others could claim that it is not. Then, what is the punishment to be imposed on Warren that would clear this transgression from her record in your eye, and allow her to be considered as a candidate outside of that old issue?

[_Gunnar]

Perhaps one could say that the danger or downside of claiming or pointing out that Trump is a racist and White Supremacist is that it only further endears him to his hardcore, racist base or to others who may be closet racists themselves. In other words, is there enough residual or unacknowledged racism left in the American electorate that establishing that Trump is indeed a White Supremacist is more likely to enhance his popularity than to damage it?

Is that exactly what Trump is counting on? Will it work for him? That's what gives me the shudders!

[_EAllusion]

Trump and Fox News mutually reinforce each other in promoting an idea that latinx immigrants are invaders who will replace native whites in the US leading to the political subjugation of white people and a destruction of their culture and standard of living. The drumbeat to stop this is near constant. The Trump campaign alone has sent thousands of political advertisements calling on its recipients to stop this invasion.

Mikwut - What's racist about that?

Elizabeth Warren once referred to high cheekbones as a sign she has Native American ancestry.

Mikwut - That's so racist. She needs to be held to account.

[_canpakes]

...subjugation of white people and a destruction of their culture ...

Ah, yes. Back to the question of whatever white culture means, exactly. I think that I've asked ajax that a few times but never seen a response.

[_EAllusion]

...subjugation of white people and a destruction of their culture ...

Ah, yes. Back to the question of whatever white culture means, exactly. I think that I've asked ajax that a few times but never seen a response.

Khaki shorts and asking to speak to your manager?

The neat trick white supremacists do with this is they conflate "American" and "white" culture and/or "Western Civilization" and this absolutely bleeds into the dreaded demographic replacement / white genocide propaganda. It's always a phantasmagorical ride trying to get them to define what, exactly, that means.

[_Some Schmo]

...subjugation of white people and a destruction of their culture ...

Ah, yes. Back to the question of whatever white culture means, exactly. I think that I've asked ajax that a few times but never seen a response.

The heart of white culture is in Wisconsin. It's how they make the cheese.

[_Dr Exiled]

How pervasive is this white supremacist problem anyway? It seems yet another media exaggeration. I was on the golf course the other day, playing in my weekly group. There are about 10 to 15 that play and we are a pretty diverse group. There are blacks, whites, mexicans, pacific islanders, italians and mixed. We were all joking and laughing, talking politics and whatever else. We talk about Trump and the Democrat candidates. We also talk about race and how it shouldn't divide us and how there are crazy people among all races.

If Fox is the font of white supremacists, then turn it off. Turn off the mainstream media and my guess is that your perception of reality will change.