Kremlin yanks Trump's leash

[_Dr Exiled]

Perfume ..... RUSSIA ... did you sh#& your pants?

Exiled..... CLINTON ... did you sh#& your pants?

No, I believe he is a stooge of the 1% and that his third way was merely a ruse to trick the masses to go against their self-interest in order to appease wall street interests. Hillary was more of the same and the emails disclosed by Assange showed that in spades. People just didn't like her and now we have Trump because of Hillary, not because of the Russians, but because Hillary and the DNC conspired to take the nomination.

Let's learn our lesson and elect a progressive this time. Warren or Sanders seem to fit the bill and would win in a landslide.

[_moksha]

...and the emails disclosed by Assange showed that in spades.

Those messages were obtained by Russian hackers in order to help the Trump campaign and were furnished to Assange as a means of information dispersal.

[_Dr Exiled]

...and the emails disclosed by Assange showed that in spades.

Those messages were obtained by Russian hackers in order to help the Trump campaign and were furnished to Assange as a means of information dispersal.

Isn't the actual content of the emails where the focus should be, instead of the messenger?

Substitute Even the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints' apologists from the 70's and 80's and even those of today, and one can easily see that they try to do the same thing as what the mainstream media and their attack the Russian messenger tactics are doing today, e.g., kill the messenger in an attempt to not have the members look at the messy history and come to the logical conclusion. It's so obvious it barely is worth mentioning.

I know I have asked this before, but what if the Russians had video of Trump with the underage girl that alleged rape but suddenly withdrew her lawsuit? Should the proper response be to blame the Russians for sowing discord? They are a danger to national security because they are attacking Even The President of The United States? Or should we actually look at the evidence, and use it to lock Trump up for being a pedophile rapist?

Who benefits from this Russia is the cause of everything wrong with America? Certainly Hillary did a little bit and the DNC donors because it avoided examining why she lost. If you recall, Comey and his about face at the eve of the election did her no favors. Why did he do that?

Hillary represented corporate/warmongering democrats that wanted to keep and expand the wars Obama continued from Bush. She was front and center in her support of the war machine that most want to end. Incidentally, notice how the "resistance" democrats vote lockstep to increase our military budget, even though Trump is allegedly a Putin puppet. Why do you think that happens? Wouldn't a Putin Puppet be denied access to military power, if that were true?

She didn't want to reform the lousy Romney healthcare legislation that Obama pushed, likely because corporate healthcare ceo salaries must continue to increase or remain. Heaven forbid we break up the monopolies that both the Republicans and corporate democrats support. Her speeches disclosed in the emails clearly showed she supported Wall Street over the population. The emails also showed how the DNC colluded with Hillary to push Sanders to the side.

However, Russia ....... right?

[_Some Schmo]

OK, I'm convinced. We should totally let our guard down and let Russia do whatever the “F” they want. Awesome strategy. Brilliant. After all... they're just the propagandists antagonists advertisers messenger.

[_Dr Exiled]

OK, I'm convinced. We should totally let our guard down and let Russia do whatever the ____ they want. Awesome strategy. Brilliant. After all... they're just the propagandists antagonists advertisers messenger.

Come on. Don't exaggerate my position. I just don't think Russia caused rumors to be spread about Epstein like Moksha said in the OP. This is a far cry from letting our guard down and letting Russia do whatever they want, as you exaggeratedly lamented above. Where is the proof that Russians are causing the supposed discord? Isn't disagreement part of democracy?

Think about what the OP is saying and what congressmen and the press are saying. If Russia is allowed to be blamed, without proof, for spreading inconvenient rumors, where does it stop? If the people want better healthcare, better infrastructure, more jobs, is that due to Russian influence? Can people disagree with the elite supported narratives without it being because of Russia? It sounds too much like what the church leaders say about supposed antimormon literature and internet sites. Supposedly antimormons and not the actual historical facts are what cause people to be disaffected. Now its racist Russians that are the cause of our ills.

How would you react if Russians gave us damning evidence about Trump? What if they had video of Trump with underage girls on Epstein's island? Would you want congress to use the evidence to impeach Trump? Or would you lash out at the Russians and not pay attention to the damning evidence?

I know I would welcome the evidence, regardless where it came from.

[_aussieguy55]

By the way, I think my hemorrhoids can be blamed on the Russians.

I think squatting rather than sitting might help.

[_Some Schmo]

Come on. Don't exaggerate my position.

OK, Mister IsRussiaResponsibleForEverythingNow.

[_Dr Exiled]

Come on. Don't exaggerate my position.

OK, Mister IsRussiaResponsibleForEverythingNow.

Yes, that was an exaggeration, trying to see how far y'all would take the Russia thing. So, how pervasive do you think Russia meddling is? Is Russia really to blame for theories about Epstein that are floating around? Where is the proof? It is just empty statements at this point. I think the Australians are to blame. Don't ask me to explain myself or to provide evidence, because if you don't believe my theory, you are a tinfoil hat wearing nut job and everyone knows it - this is what is frustrating about the Russia nonsense. If someone pushes back, the crowd bitches and moans because .... disagreement. Also, the main thrust of the Russia nonsense is to try and equate disagreement with disloyalty, just like our favorite former leaders do to the vulnerable members who remain.

[_Some Schmo]

So, how pervasive do you think Russia meddling is? Is Russia really to blame for theories about Epstein that are floating around?

I have no idea. It wouldn't surprise me if they were helping.

What I do know is that the US intelligence agencies all agree that Russia conducted an extensive election interference campaign and plan to do it again. Evidence of this claim is in plain sight. Even if it weren't, I'm more apt to believe the people who investigated the matter than people who seem motivated by a severe dislike for the Clintons.

But don't let that stop you from ranting on about it. Everyone needs a hobby.

[_Dr Exiled]

So, how pervasive do you think Russia meddling is? Is Russia really to blame for theories about Epstein that are floating around?

I have no idea. It wouldn't surprise me if they were helping.

What I do know is that the US intelligence agencies all agree that Russia conducted an extensive election interference campaign and plan to do it again. Evidence of this claim is in plain sight. Even if it weren't, I'm more apt to believe the people who investigated the matter than people who seem motivated by a severe dislike for the Clintons.

But don't let that stop you from ranting on about it. Everyone needs a hobby.

The intelligence agencies, who lied us into vietnam, has US media assets as per the Church committee in the 70's, lied to us regarding iran/contra, lied to us regarding the USSR capabilities in the 80's, lied to us in iraq I, lied about weapons of mass destruction for iraq II, won't tell us how they know about Russian interference because of the convenient "national security" excuse. I just don't trust them. Further, blaming Russia seems to be an excuse for failure in other areas. The population is tired of the steady deterioration of their standard of living and enough didn't want corporate/militaristic Clinton and voted for Trump because he lied about being a populist and lied about stopping the wars. It worked because that is what the people wanted. The take from this is that the people want a reversal of what is happening and they are so desperate that they voted for a TV clown. This is the truth, not that Russia is controlling alternative opinion. If I want better health care, better wages, more money in the hands of consumers, it is not because Russia told me so. If I want our troops to come home and to shutter our innumerable military bases abroad, this isn't because of Russia. America looking inward was a thing in the early 1900's, when Russia was a backward nation. It just doesn't make sense.