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[_Jersey Girl]

You mean like do not eat fruit from that tree over there in the garden?

[_Lemmie]

Or, it's a legend about a people afflicted by poisonous snakes whose priests told them they needed to worship a golden snake to remove the curse of the snakes. Then later priests turned that story into one about the supposed one true God with whom they had a covenant. And now even later priests are telling people THAT story is really about Jesus.

Or it’s just a bored fallen angel who coaxed the smart human (the woman of course ) into biting the apple because he was bored, then the worried good angel gave the two humans his flaming sword which he wasn’t supposed to do and now he has to find it millennia later because the Celestial library WANTS IT BACK but only Agnes Nutter seems to have a clue where it is, in prophecy number ten thousand and.... oh, wait. That’s Good Omens. On bbc. Sorry.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

So what can I do to help you relate the Biblical God fitting into all of this? Nothing. These things are so unbelievably beyond my human understanding and so monumentally outside of my grasp that I simply can not help you.

Thanks for responding. So, I don't get it. What's the point of it all? I get that God created us as imperfect beings, He created Satan to tempt and afflict us, I get that He killed Himself because He required a blood sacrifice to get us back to Heaven or whatever iteration one might believe on the story, and the entire drama takes place in a factually tiny area of the Earth which eventually gets around and now a lot of people have their particular take on it. Cool.

But, again, what's the point when we see just how small everything is, just how vast the Universe is, and how nightmarishly hostile everything is everywhere, to include this tiny, little, speck of dust flying through space all by itself?

I get that Vishnu does this or that for believers. And Jesus. And Allah. And Zeus. And Jehovah. And Elohim. And a thousand others. Cool. Let's say one of them is legit the God. Like, no crap, god is really Jehovah, and He is It. And you believe. And you go to Heaven. And others go to whatever version of Hell you believe in (or don't). And that is that.

What's the point? Like. Is the point you get transported to some plane of existence where you feel good and have a thing that you do in His realm? Like. Is that the payoff? And if that's the point what in the “F” was the point of creating a Universe so large we can 'only' see 90,000,000 light years of it and it's so big, so vast, and so unknowable it literally has nothing to do with Jehovah's creation and redemption drama here?

- Doc

[_Jersey Girl]

What's the point? Like. Is the point you get transported to some plane of existence where you feel good and have a thing that you do in His realm? Like. Is that the payoff? And if that's the point what in the “F” was the point of creating a Universe so large we can 'only' see 90,000,000 light years of it and it's so big, so vast, and so unknowable it literally has nothing to do with Jehovah's creation and redemption drama here?

- Doc

Cam make me understand better what you are asking in your above. What is the relevance of the vastness of the Universe to the creation we're now thinking about and discussing?

Make it so easy a 4th grader can understand it. Maybe I'll get it, then.

;-)

Like are you thinking about why there's all that leftover and/or unused matter so to speak?

Signed,
A 4th grade brain

[_Jersey Girl]

And what is this part about I am bolding?

But, again, what's the point when we see just how small everything is, just how vast the Universe is, and how nightmarishly hostile everything is everywhere, to include this tiny, little, speck of dust flying through space all by itself?

Where's the hostility you are talking about?

[_Some Schmo]

What's the point? Like. Is the point you get transported to some plane of existence where you feel good and have a thing that you do in His realm? Like. Is that the payoff? And if that's the point what in the “F” was the point of creating a Universe so large we can 'only' see 90,000,000 light years of it and it's so big, so vast, and so unknowable it literally has nothing to do with Jehovah's creation and redemption drama here?

- Doc

Cam make me understand better what you are asking in your above. What is the relevance of the vastness of the Universe to the creation we're now thinking about and discussing?

I believe the point is that if the universe was made as a testing ground for humans, why all the wasted space?

[_Chap]

Where's the hostility you are talking about?

In every other part of the universe of which we so far have knowledge apart from the tiny blue spot on which we are currently located, we'd be dead within a few seconds of arriving there.

That's hostile.

[_huckelberry]

So what can I do to help you relate the Biblical God fitting into all of this? Nothing. These things are so unbelievably beyond my human understanding and so monumentally outside of my grasp that I simply can not help you.

Thanks for responding. So, I don't get it. What's the point of it all? I get that God created us as imperfect beings, He created Satan to tempt and afflict us, I get that He killed Himself because He required a blood sacrifice to get us back to Heaven or whatever iteration one might believe on the story, and the entire drama takes place in a factually tiny area of the Earth which eventually gets around and now a lot of people have their particular take on it. Cool.

But, again, what's the point when we see just how small everything is, just how vast the Universe is, and how nightmarishly hostile everything is everywhere, to include this tiny, little, speck of dust flying through space all by itself?

I get that Vishnu does this or that for believers. And Jesus. And Allah. And Zeus. And Jehovah. And Elohim. And a thousand others. Cool. Let's say one of them is legit the God. Like, no ____, god is really Jehovah, and He is It. And you believe. And you go to Heaven. And others go to whatever version of Hell you believe in (or don't). And that is that.

What's the point? Like. Is the point you get transported to some plane of existence where you feel good and have a thing that you do in His realm? Like. Is that the payoff? And if that's the point what in the ____ was the point of creating a Universe so large we can 'only' see 90,000,000 light years of it and it's so big, so vast, and so unknowable it literally has nothing to do with Jehovah's creation and redemption drama here?

- Doc

Doc, I think there is good sense in Ceebo's answer. I could expand on its basic sense a little. I know of no reason to think that Gods world revolves around human beings. There could be multitudes of things outside of our knowledge he could be concerned with. In fact it seems bizarre to limit God life to obsessing about humans .

Though if there is a meaning for us in the dimension of the universe it could be to back our ego off thinking the universe revolves around me or us.

[_Jersey Girl]

Cam make me understand better what you are asking in your above. What is the relevance of the vastness of the Universe to the creation we're now thinking about and discussing?

I believe the point is that if the universe was made as a testing ground for humans, why all the wasted space?

How is it wasted when you see it, recognize it's vastness, wonder at it and appreciate it?

[_Jersey Girl]

Where's the hostility you are talking about?

In every other part of the universe of which we so far have knowledge apart from the tiny blue spot on which we are currently located, we'd be dead within a few seconds of arriving there.

That's hostile.

Are we leaving the tiny blue spot and going there?