Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:White people were obviously in the wrong, especially stickboy and dogman. The dog did nothing wrong.
I'll settle for that. Dogs are not moral agents, but people are. The beerbelly et al. were simply using the dog as a weapon.
Did this happen in a 'stand your ground' state? If so, it is clear that the black man could have changed the situation entirely by exercising his second amendment rights. And the second amendment does not cover dogs ...
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Chap wrote:Dogs are not moral agents, but people are.
I think the Bible study thread is working!
Because without it, Chap would argue...what? Dogs are moral agents? Jeez. What an inane statement. Go learn something about Chap. I guarantee, you’ll be edified.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:White people were obviously in the wrong, especially stickboy and dogman. The dog did nothing wrong.
I'll settle for that. Dogs are not moral agents, but people are. The beerbelly et al. were simply using the dog as a weapon.
Did this happen in a 'stand your ground' state? If so, it is clear that the black man could have changed the situation entirely by exercising his second amendment rights. And the second amendment does not cover dogs ...
Hrm. That’s a good question Googleman types..
Michigan’s Stand Your Ground Law of Self Defense In Michigan, you may use deadly force, with no duty to retreat, if you have an honest and reasonable belief that such force is necessary to prevent the imminent death, great bodily harm or sexual assault to yourself or to another individual.
To take advantage of this self-defense law, which is found at Michigan Compiled Laws sec. 780.972, you must be able to prove three things:
That you aren’t engaged in a crime, That you are somewhere you’re legally allowed to be; and, That you feel deadly force is the only way to defend yourself or another person. Because the law specifically indicates that you may use deadly force with no duty to retreat it is often referred to as a “stand your ground” law. This stand your ground law applies both inside and outside your home. However, if you are using self-defense inside your home, you may be able to take advantage of the presumption of self-defense that is contained within Michigan’s home defense law, which is found at Michigan Compiled Laws sec. 780.951. This law is also sometimes referred to as the “castle doctrine.” However, this castle doctrine only applies in very narrow circumstances. If a judge or jury finds that these narrow circumstances don’t apply, then you will not be entitled to the presumption that you were acting in self-defense.
This stand your ground law applies also to the use of non-deadly force. Generally speaking, you are only allowed to use the degree of force necessary under the circumstances. And, you must also satisfy the above three criteria when using non-deadly force.
Michigan’s stand your ground law is far broader in application than Michigan’s castle doctrine. It also does not contain an “objective standard,” meaning it does not afford shooters the benefit of a presumption. What Michigan’s stand your ground law does require however is an “honest and reasonable” belief. In most circumstances, the determination of whether you had such a belief will be decided by a jury comprised of 12 people.
If you have obtained your CPL and have purchased a gun for the purposes of self-defense, then it is essential for you to know your rights and to know the law.
Based off that I think Blackguy could’ve shot the dog for sure, and most likely 3 of the 5 whites.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Chap wrote:Dogs are not moral agents, but people are.
I think the Bible study thread is working!
Thanks for the thread you started. It's been interesting. I cannot personally tolerate the human aggression in the incident related in the OP and video. I'll probably not continue on this thread on account of it but who knows?
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
Or you can stagger along the sidewalk while it chews your ass off. Not much of a choice, is it?
So he couldn't have retreated when he saw the pit bull on the leash, maybe even before the owner released the dog?
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
Dr. Shades wrote:I'm going to pray that the motive for this attack wasn't merely because of the victim's skin color.
Now, there's no scenario whatsoever that makes any of this okay, BUT I submit that the video simply started too late for us to know what the motive behind this was.
what about a scenario where the "black boy" had just raped their 6 yo daughter while kicking their grandmother's teeth out?
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
Dr. Shades wrote:I'm going to pray that the motive for this attack wasn't merely because of the victim's skin color.
Now, there's no scenario whatsoever that makes any of this okay, BUT I submit that the video simply started too late for us to know what the motive behind this was.
what about a scenario where the "black boy" had just raped their 6 yo daughter while kicking their grandmother's teeth out?
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
What an inane statement. Go learn something about Chap. I guarantee, you’ll be edified.
Thanks for the thread you started. It's been interesting. I cannot personally tolerate the human aggression in the incident related in the OP and video. I'll probably not continue on this thread on account of it but who knows?