Final Exit

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Re: Final Exit

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RockSlider wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Rock,

You have my deepest sympathies for what you're having to go through.

You have my deepest respect for the warrior you are to fight through it.

- Doc

That means a lot to me coming from you Doc.

I can't say it as well as Doc did, but I feel the same way. You are an important part of what makes this forum special. I hope we get to keep you a good while longer.
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Re: Final Exit

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canpakes wrote:
subgenius wrote: So, if we assume suicide is always to be an self-autonomous decision and act then how do we as a society consider the burden for the disposal of remains?

Your emphasis and worry over the possibility of suffering some sort of out-of-pocket cost if someone - family member or otherwise - commits suicide is noted, but doesn’t the need for ‘disposal’ exist regardless of suicide or not?

Perhaps you have set up a plan to drop in place within a garden when your own time comes to an end, so that you can merely compost right in to the veggies, removing the burden of disposal for your family?

re-read post and find waldo...hes right after the words "but more importantly"
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Re: Final Exit

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subgenius wrote:
canpakes wrote:Your emphasis and worry over the possibility of suffering some sort of out-of-pocket cost if someone - family member or otherwise - commits suicide is noted, but doesn’t the need for ‘disposal’ exist regardless of suicide or not?

Perhaps you have set up a plan to drop in place within a garden when your own time comes to an end, so that you can merely compost right in to the veggies, removing the burden of disposal for your family?

re-read post and find waldo...hes right after the words "but more importantly"

The answer to the part that follows “but more importantly” is an obvious ‘no’.

But more importantly, the first part finds you rambling incoherently. Otherwise you’d have had a point in writing it.
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Re: Final Exit

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Jersey Girl wrote:Rock how can we help you?


Everyone here has already helped in my journey of 11+ years here. Just being an ear to listen, a place to drop my feelings and a place to obtain feedback from your insights to life is all anyone could ask.

I've just been working on organizing financial things, working on budgets, looking into disability/SSS retirement options, looking to hold out at work till next July 22nd to see my wife get to Medicare, just trying to plan ahead.

I don't know yet that things are all as dire as I'm planning for here (ie. having this turn out to be MND). Just trying to get things in order.

When I was having my surgeries I filled out a Do Not Resuscitate form at the local hospital. However, I've learned that I need to be much more descriptive of my desires that a DNR filled out by me at check-in at the hospital before the first surgery. My family have no idea of what I filled out and filed there. The Final Exit Network's home page links 6 Steps Living Will.

Their 26 page guide for filling out the will and the will are free and range the whole spectrum of, 'do everything possible to prolong my life' through 'let nature take its place' to help me go when I get to some point.

The main idea being, don't burden your family with having to make decisions for you if you are unable and they don't intimately know your wishes. I could share a very negative personal family story about a healthy daughter making a decision for her mother that has haunted her these 20+ years later. I assume others here have similar stories.

My advice to everyone here ... go here and fill out your Living Will and get copies of it to those whom you love. Once again ... https://www.6stepslivingwill.org
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Re: Final Exit

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subgenius wrote:Very strange reason that does not seem well thought out. ....

notwithstanding that this reason is a more practical investigation of the consequences for an dramatic increase in suicides, i continued with a clearly stated "but more importantly " inquiry that actually applies to the "thought out" part. What i believe is less thought is how limited your scope of "suicide" is...as if the wholesale decriminalization of suicide only applies to terminally ill persons with the means to employ the ceremony of an "assistant" and a family gathered. At which case you are in fact only allowing for a very narrow and limited amount of people who may "choose" your oh-so-noble notion for the ceremony of it all. But yeah, think it out, instead of just feeling it out as you are currently doing.

I usually just lurk here, haven't posted in a long time.

Can anyone make sense of this post?

The only reason I bothered posting is that I am a registered nurse and I have watched a lot of people die under a variety of circumstances. I have also taken care of countless people that will live long lives in conditions that I would consider worse than death.

I really don't care for some uneducated, barely literate person spewing word vomit on such an important topic.
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Re: Final Exit

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Kittens_and_Jesus wrote:The only reason I bothered posting is that I am a registered nurse and I have watched a lot of people die under a variety of circumstances. I have also taken care of countless people that will live long lives in conditions that I would consider worse than death.

I really don't care for some uneducated, barely literate person spewing word vomit on such an important topic.

Thank you Kittens
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Re: Final Exit

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RockSlider wrote:I started with a local Parkinsons support group held at a local "senior living community" and saw the full spectrum of beginning stages to final stages. I realized right then that I can point at the stage along that spectrum that it will be time for me to opt out.

If you are interested in trying an online support group, hit me up in PM's. You'd have to know how to post and reply. ;-)

Rock here's a link to Pub Med in case you're interested. This link should take you to research on Parkinson's and cannabis.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?te ... s+cannabis

Hey Rock. One more thing. If you'd like to post on this out-of-the-way thread that I stuffed into Prison, you're very welcome to do so. It's got all kinds of topics in and well, me working my way through (and venting ad nauseum about) my own medical challenges--talking to myself. :lol:

There's even a great stretch there about Cam's hiking experience on the Appalachian Trail (awesome photos and commentary!!) and a report of my trip to the UK (London, Glasgow and Edinburgh) and a ton of stuff...people venting, trying to work their way through their "life junk."

So far, everyone has respected the intent and purpose of the thread. I'm going to be popping it back up here shortly with more junk from me and my life. So if you want to cut loose, it's there for you to do so. Feel free to use it however it helps you!

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Re: Final Exit

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Thanks Jersey Girl checking it out
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Re: Final Exit

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RockSlider wrote:Thanks Jersey Girl checking it out

If you are talking about the thread, there's quite a lot of me ranting and raving like a loon there. Also good food, exercise, people trying to overcome stuff and meet goals, sadness, frustrations, successes and nice support as well.

Feel free to rant or rave there any time!

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Re: Final Exit

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RockSlider wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:Rock how can we help you?

Everyone here has already helped in my journey of 11+ years here. Just being an ear to listen, a place to drop my feelings and a place to obtain feedback from your insights to life is all anyone could ask.

I've just been working on organizing financial things, working on budgets, looking into disability/SSS retirement options, looking to hold out at work till next July 22nd to see my wife get to Medicare, just trying to plan ahead.

I don't know yet that things are all as dire as I'm planning for here (ie. having this turn out to be MND). Just trying to get things in order.

When I was having my surgeries I filled out a Do Not Resuscitate form at the local hospital. However, I've learned that I need to be much more descriptive of my desires that a DNR filled out by me at check-in at the hospital before the first surgery. My family have no idea of what I filled out and filed there. The Final Exit Network's home page links 6 Steps Living Will.

Their 26 page guide for filling out the will and the will are free and range the whole spectrum of, 'do everything possible to prolong my life' through 'let nature take its place' to help me go when I get to some point.

The main idea being, don't burden your family with having to make decisions for you if you are unable and they don't intimately know your wishes. I could share a very negative personal family story about a healthy daughter making a decision for her mother that has haunted her these 20+ years later. I assume others here have similar stories.

My advice to everyone here ... go here and fill out your Living Will and get copies of it to those whom you love. Once again ... https://www.6stepslivingwill.org

Thanks for the link to the living will. I’ve been planning to do one of these, and the guide you linked to looks excellent.

I think we have some truly screwed up attitudes about death. I’m glad that organizations like the one you linked to exist.

I admire you for what you have gone through, and am sorry you had to go through it.
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