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[_Some Schmo]

I just don't think there is a good way to force the God of the Judeo-Christian Bible into also being in charge of it all. He seems more like a lower tier government official, or hell let's say staff in charge of a department, who enjoys a certain degree of authority they throw around but whose influence doesn't extend past those unfortunate enough to get stuck having to deal with them for reasons. Like a head of the DMV or a permitting counter at a City.

This is the bottom line, honor. Just like any character we role-play, we're the ones who determine the nature of the character.

Based on the way you're imagining him, he's lawful evil. Perfectly justifiable.

The way I'm picturing him, he's neutral through and through. But that's my character. Clearly, we're not talking about the same god.

And every single person playing this game (god belief/religion) is doing the same damn thing. They make the god character the way they most want him to play, and makes the most sense in the world of their imagination.

[_honorentheos]

I just don't think there is a good way to force the God of the Judeo-Christian Bible into also being in charge of it all. He seems more like a lower tier government official, or hell let's say staff in charge of a department, who enjoys a certain degree of authority they throw around but whose influence doesn't extend past those unfortunate enough to get stuck having to deal with them for reasons. Like a head of the DMV or a permitting counter at a City.

This is the bottom line, honor. Just like any character we role-play, we're the ones who determine the nature of the character.

Based on the way you're imagining him, he's lawful evil. Perfectly justifiable.

The way I'm picturing him, he's neutral through and through. But that's my character. Clearly, we're not talking about the same god.

And every single person playing this game (god belief/religion) is doing the same damn thing. They make the god character the way they most want him to play, and makes the most sense in the world of their imagination.

There has to be a way to turn this thread into a one shot. Res Ipsa said he played table top games, as does Shades. I thought I recall Lemmie did or does but am not sure. Someone somewhere has to know of a system that lends itself to a one shot that could adapt to the theme of this thread. I was thinking possibly a Fiasco-style game but that would take work to set up.

[_canpakes]

What, in practical terms, does sanctification entail or mean for you as regards daily living?

My understanding is it can mean one of two things, depending on context:

- The creation and packaging of instant decaffeinated coffee
- The consuming of instant decaffeinated coffee

In both cases, it can be a very bitter experience. At the very least, I'd recommend upgrading to a Folgersfication or a Starbusksfication.

: )

[_huckelberry]

this is an abbreviation of Ceeboo post, full version his previous post above,

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When Paul describes change over time, he is not talking about the born again event. The change over time process that Paul describes is the lifelong challenges, understanding and growth that is a part of this new life - A christian life. It is not the event of being born. Just like the physical birth of a baby is the event that begins years and decades of growth, understanding and maturity - So does a spiritual birth mark the beginning of a much longer process where (by the power of the Holy Spirit) one learns, matures, gains wisdom and grows in the things of God (This, sometimes called sanctification, is a once-forever separation of believers unto God)

In Pauls view people can start the change and then be weak and plodding. Paul instructs people to be patient with those who are slower.

With respect, this is not my understanding. "People can not start the change" (Just like a newborn baby can not start the birth) The spiritual birth is 100% of God and by God. Paul's instructions of being patient is about the understanding that once born (meaning after this event), growth, understanding and sanctification can be a very different experience for many - In other words, not all infants will progress at the same rates/speeds but they indeed are all infants as they have indeed been born again by the power of God.

I think that anyobservation of people around us and people in history shows that we are all much slower in sanctification than we would like. I can remember the time of renewal when I turn and feel new take on a new direction, new goals and sense a new foundations. Years go by and I know I am slower weaker than my hope. Paul speaks of suffering for other to be something we do over years to become more like what we were reborn to be.

Sanctification is a lifelong process. To put it in simple form - It is a lifelong journey that involves understand and using this new heart and new mind to become more and more like Jesus. This does not mean that Christians don't face challenges along the way , or have struggles - it means that the work being done is being done by the Holy Spirit to guide us, prompt us and point us in certain directions of holiness, grace, compassion and humility.

I do not believe that for any Christian this process is complete in this life.

I agree. The process will only be complete when our life on earth is completed and then we are glorified (again, not by anything we do, or have earned, or take part in) Just like being born of the spirit is done by the Power of Almighty God - So is glorification done, by the power of Almighty God.

Jesus gives us a spiritual foundation which can continue past death and joining with others can complete what no human does in this life.

No, this is not my understanding. Human beings do not do it in the Kingdom either (we can't). It is the Lord of lords, King of Kings, Creator of all things that will shower His children with His abundant Grace that will bring forth glorification.

Ceebook,
You are helpful to bring up justification sanctification. I think your statements make good sense. They fallow the traditional way to clarify this question, especially for Protestants. Each place I spoke of people doing ,as in going slower, I was thinking of Sanctification, which people do in their own action with Gods enabling.

I cannot argue details of what happens after we die due to my lack of knowledge of particulars. I am inclined to think that if we live we act. That would not mean acting without Gods enabling.

[_Some Schmo]

: )

Sanka... it's about humility.

And real coffee is pretentious.

[_Jersey Girl]

Hey Jersey Girl or ceebs, does being born again give you fire resistance?

Just checked back in and saw this. I'm not sure what you are asking me here. Re-state?

[_Some Schmo]

There has to be a way to turn this thread into a one shot. Res Ipsa said he played table top games, as does Shades. I thought I recall Lemmie did or does but am not sure. Someone somewhere has to know of a system that lends itself to a one shot that could adapt to the theme of this thread. I was thinking possibly a Fiasco-style game but that would take work to set up.

Someone could start a thread that sets up a scenario and DM the thread. People could join the scenario with character names and backgrounds and contribute what their character thinks and does...

Wait. That isn't much different than any given thread. We would have to add dragons.

[_Res Ipsa]

There has to be a way to turn this thread into a one shot. Res Ipsa said he played table top games, as does Shades. I thought I recall Lemmie did or does but am not sure. Someone somewhere has to know of a system that lends itself to a one shot that could adapt to the theme of this thread. I was thinking possibly a Fiasco-style game but that would take work to set up.

Fiasco might be a good fit. I think a stripped down version of Paranoia might be fun. I also play RPGs and story games. There are lots of fairly simple story game systems that can be adapted for almost anything.

[_huckelberry]

: )

Sanka... it's about humility.

And real coffee is pretentious.

sanka? decafinated coffee. boy that has to be wrong.

[_honorentheos]

Hey Jersey Girl or ceebs, does being born again give you fire resistance?

Just checked back in and saw this. I'm not sure what you are asking me here. Re-state?

You know how the Bible says a believer could pick up serpents and the like? What about being able to withstand being burned?