Could this happen? Airing of grievances & simple apologies?

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Would anyone have been converted to Christianity if Jesus, in the garden, rather than healing the guard, had issued a snarky condemnation. “Yeah it figures Judas, bet you and your new friends in the toxic swamp really get off telling demonstrably false lies about me! Here, have another ear to bend to your lies!”


It would have converted more Mopologists.

Shocking as it may seem, the apologists very much believe in following the example of Jesus. They just see Jesus as a different kind of person than most people. For instance, a few months ago at a certain blog, an apocryphal account of Jesus in Arabic was related and hoped to be true, because in the account Jesus was a sarcastic ass. I don't remember the name of the thread.

Ever since my early days of encountering apologetics, I don't think I've ever heard an apologist reference the Beatitudes, but I've seen frequent references to Jesus driving the money changers from the temple. Here's a perfect example:

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... ation.html

But let’s not forget about the Jesus who carefully braided the whip and drove the moneychangers from the temple
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.

LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
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Interesting Gad!

No one got my “have another ear” joke. LOL.

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Shouldn't it have been "let me put back that ear"?

A big issue in Mormonism quite apart from whether it's all based on fraud or not is that it's a relaunch of Christianity that significantly changes the brand. My impression is that Mormons feel their reboot of Christianity is an improvement on the original in that it brings the New and Old Testaments closer together. As a non-Mormon Christian my impression instead is that Mormonism simply throws the New Testament under the bus.

The Book of Mormon's Jesus character quotes the Sermon on the Mount to the Nephites verbatim but otherwise acts entirely like the strict and jealous LORD of the Old Testament, to the point of incinerating several cities full of children just because they were bad. It seems as though Joseph Smith thought the God of Genesis was a wimp because he was willing to haggle with Abraham over how many righteous inhabitants might warrant the sparing of Sodom, so Smith has his Jesus blast cities like a Marvel supervillain to show old Moses how it should have been done.

Most mainstream versions of Christianity do share some of the harsh Mormon legalism. It's not that Mormonism has slapped the Jesus logo onto an entirely unrelated product. But there's a real and substantial shift in emphasis in the Mormon reboot of Christianity. Themes of humility and compassion are prominent enough in mainstream Christianity that they may be the faith's saving graces in the modern world, but these themes are played down in the Mormon edition in favor of emphasis on righteous power.

It's not ironic that Mormon apologists are so much less humble than the New Testament Jesus. It's Mormon.
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Wow, Dr. Moore, I can hardly believe it:

Daniel Peterson wrote:"Dr. Moore":

I apologize for characterizing as a "bald-faced lie" your accusation that Professor Louis Midgley had "admitted" that his essay on Grant Palmer was an exercise in "character assassination."

I'll be happy to designate the charity that I've chosen for your $1,000 donation either here or via email. Have you chosen a method by which I can confirm that your donation has actually been made?

Thank you for your generosity.


I'm curious what "charity" he'll pick. Please have him announce it there on "Sic et Non," Dr. Moore!
"[I]f, while hoping that everybody else will be honest and so forth, I can personally prosper through unethical and immoral acts without being detected and without risk, why should I not?." --Daniel Peterson, 6/4/14
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Ah Peterson is being talked to by superiors, there is now no doubt in my mind. It is good to see him apologize. I like him a little better because of it now.
He will have The Interpreter as the charity, as he then can use the money for his Witnesses Film......
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Philo Sofee wrote:Ah Peterson is being talked to by superiors, there is now no doubt in my mind. It is good to see him apologize. I like him a little better because of it now.
He will have The Interpreter as the charity, as he then can use the money for his Witnesses Film......


Well, now, is there room for debate? Is it really accurate to characterize Mormon Interpreter as a "charity"? If I was Dr. Moore and Peterson wanted the money to go to Interpreter, I would object and I would force him to pick something else.
"[I]f, while hoping that everybody else will be honest and so forth, I can personally prosper through unethical and immoral acts without being detected and without risk, why should I not?." --Daniel Peterson, 6/4/14
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Doctor Scratch wrote:Wow, Dr. Moore, I can hardly believe it:

Daniel Peterson wrote:"Dr. Moore":

I apologize for characterizing as a "bald-faced lie" your accusation that Professor Louis Midgley had "admitted" that his essay on Grant Palmer was an exercise in "character assassination."

I'll be happy to designate the charity that I've chosen for your $1,000 donation either here or via email. Have you chosen a method by which I can confirm that your donation has actually been made?

Thank you for your generosity.


I'm curious what "charity" he'll pick. Please have him announce it there on "Sic et Non," Dr. Moore!


It’s still weasel wordy. Not convinced? Look again with a small edit:

I apologize for characterizing... your accusation that Professor Louis Midgley had "admitted" that his essay on Grant Palmer was an exercise in "character assassination."


That comes off as an asshole way of saying, “Sorry, not sorry.”

First, he didn’t apologize for being wrong. He apologized for his ‘characterization’.

Second, he puts the blame back on Dr. Moore by framing his observation as an accusation, not the truth.

Third, he puts ‘admitted’ into scare quotes which leaves the reader with the impression The Midge did no such thing.

This is straight up a non-apology.

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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Where is the link to this apology?
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Hey, that’s cool. Thank you for flagging, Doctor Scratch.

I replied to his thread on SeN a moment ago and will supply the photographic evidence of fulfillment within the coming week.

Enjoy your weekend, folks.
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Cam... come on brother, the man apologized and he did it with class while, as is his right, preserving and respecting our disagreeing views. I didn’t ask for more and I would never ask for more than that.
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