Trump's Most Inhumane Act Yet?

[_ajax18]

Also, as a reminder to Ajax, I have, in fact, opted to work various gigs within the private sector since retiring. Suggesting I give away all my money fundamentally misunderstands, as I predicted, the point of my post. We don’t have to be Communists.

Well you have to be a communist if you're not willing to draw the line somewhere. The voters have democratically drawn that line on illegal immigration. It's time we enforced it.

[Guest]

It has nothing to do with economics and everything to do with immigration policy.

How is immigration policy not about economics?

It's about immigration policy by the nature of the announcement and the notifications put out, full stop. And it's targeting particular groups of people based on immigration status. This particular move is not about economics. The administration isn't even defending it based on economics. If you want to claim you support Trump basically telling people who are receiving life-saving medical treatments that they aren't protected from deportation, then put your balls on the table based on that and defend them from the stomping they rightfully get. Don't try and hide it behind these people somehow costing you and depreciating the quality of your life so they can suck it.

Trump has done so much long term damage to the economic well-being of our nation it's only possibly someone would support him based on economic behavior due to ignorance of how economics actually works.

It's not about economics.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Also, as a reminder to Ajax, I have, in fact, opted to work various gigs within the private sector since retiring. Suggesting I give away all my money fundamentally misunderstands, as I predicted, the point of my post. We don’t have to be Communists.

Well you have to be a communist if you're not willing to draw the line somewhere. The voters have democratically drawn that line on illegal immigration. It's time we enforced it.

I want you to read what you wrote, and then read this:

Donald Trump is literally deporting kids with cancer.

And you support this.

- Doc

Edited: Other life threatening illnesses include HIV, cerebral palsy, leukemia, muscular dystrophy, and epilepsy. The USCIS has said that is receives around 1,000 deferred action requests per year. If anyone thinks a 1,000 deferred action request per year is going to break the bank then I don't know what to say. We're already $20T in debt, and Mr. Trump's huge tax breaks for the super rich (why Ajax and others aren't clawing their eyes out over this is beyond confusing to me), hyperinflated military budget, and reluctance to actually work with Democrats to get on a Clintonian plan to balance our budget and work at reducing our debt are meta-issues that are far more urgent than kicking sick people out of our country. Crazy.

[Guest]

The voters have democratically drawn that line on illegal immigration. It's time we enforced it.

Oh, you mean by voting for Trump and against Clinton?

But in fact, as you know, the actual voters voted in greater numbers (three million or so) for Clinton than for Trump.

What you mean is that the Electoral College voted for Trump. Don't blame the voters, please.

[Edited for typos]

[_Chap]

Donald Trump is literally deporting kids with cancer.

Ajax is a believer in that weird Christian religion thing, isn't he? I'm not, but if I was that way inclined and I said the things Ajax is saying, I'd be a bit worried about the following utterance by someone he presumably respects:

Matthew 25

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Hmm. Seems quite clear to me. As I said, i'm not bothered. But I do wonder how Ajax can sleep at night with all that stuff about "Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels" to think about.

Wow. That guy was really serious about helping sick strangers, wasn't he? On the other hand, faced with a sick stranger like that kid, Ajax says ... 'depart from me'.

Well, if one day Ajax hears that yelled right back at him by a big angry guy of M.E. appearance sitting on some kind of a throne, he will have no cause for complaint, will he?

[Guest]

I think a part of ajax's attitude is just ordinary backfire effect. Having once voted for Trump, he simply can't bear to admit that he made a grievous mistake by doing so, and the most obvious the grievousness of that mistake becomes, the more foolish and perverse he has to admit to being for having voted for him in the first place. Some (too many) people perceive it to be less painful or embarrassing to remain a fool or racist than repent of such foolishness or racism, and thus admit to having been one.

[_Gunnar]

Wonderful comments, Chap. Ajax obviously doesn't know or understand the religion he professes to believe in. This presumes, of course, that he is not lying about actually believing in it.

[_Gunnar]

However, part of being decent is to acknowledge harm has occurred. I think Ajax isn’t so far gone that he can’t see and acknowledge suffering.

There's a lot of suffering going on in the world and there always has been. And the fact is that we can't afford to pay what it would take to stop all of it even if we were willing to do so. It's no drop in the bucket. It's a tidal wave. If you're really so concerned about these people Doc, why don't you give them your retirement money and go back to work?

So, your argument is that because we can't stop 100% of the suffering in the world, we should never attempt to alleviate any of it at all? What a wonderful Christ-like attitude!

If it is impossible to prevent all loss of life and property from wildfires, we should not attempt to fight them at all, and let them all burn themselves out naturally. Right?

[_ajax18]

So, your argument is that because we can't stop 100% of the suffering in the world, we should never attempt to alleviate any of it at all? What a wonderful Christ-like attitude!

If it is impossible to prevent all loss of life and property from wildfires, we should not attempt to fight them at all, and let them all burn themselves out naturally. Right?

Why should we be helping people who ilegally entered our country before helping people who played by the rules and stayed in their own country?

[_Res Ipsa]

So, your argument is that because we can't stop 100% of the suffering in the world, we should never attempt to alleviate any of it at all? What a wonderful Christ-like attitude!

If it is impossible to prevent all loss of life and property from wildfires, we should not attempt to fight them at all, and let them all burn themselves out naturally. Right?

Why should we be helping people who ilegally entered our country before helping people who played by the rules and stayed in their own country?

I don’t recall Jesus making those kinds of distinctions. You want to kill children by deporting them. What did Jesus say about how to treat children?