Chap wrote:Like that little girl Trump is expelling, for instance. Whom you know all about. Who will die if she is expelled from the US and her treatment is terminated.
Are you talking about Isabel Bueso? She is certainly still little in physical stature, but she is now a 24 year old, summa cum laude college graduate with an honors degree in sociology, who is contemplating starting a graduate degree program and has contributed and is still contributing to helping and inspiring many people and causes in very significant ways. Her deportation would not only kill her but would be a tragic loss to our country because of the commendable contributions she is making to our society. She should have been granted full citizenship long ago. Admittedly, Trump cannot be blamed for that failure, though. Some previous administration(s) is/are responsible for that. I suppose it is possible that she, for some reason, never wanted to apply for citizenship, but I doubt that.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
If you're not willing to enforce the law then the fair thing to do is open the border up to everyone.
I'd invade Mexico and seize the assets of their wealthy to pay for all the poverty they've dumped in our country.
Not Christlike, too bad.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
So, basically, the ones who at least try to be like me will be coming over to my place, while those who don't can go with the other guy. Oh, you thought you'd get away with it? You thought I wasn't serious?
Too bad.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:We're not the ones that should be caring what the Lord has to say about foreigners. It's you.
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So, you're saying our religious beliefs should form and direct our government, laws, and policies?...lest we be judged by your ability to cite scripture?
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:We're not the ones that should be caring what the Lord has to say about foreigners. It's you.
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So, you're saying our religious beliefs should form and direct our government, laws, and policies?...lest we be judged by your ability to cite scripture?
“The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has long expressed its position that immigration reform should strengthen families and keep them together. The forced separation of children from their parents now occurring at the U.S.-Mexico border is harmful to families, especially to young children. We are deeply troubled by the aggressive and insensitive treatment of these families. While we recognize the right of all nations to enforce their laws and secure their borders, we encourage our national leaders to take swift action to correct this situation and seek for rational, compassionate solutions.
I somehow doubt the Church would find it Christlike to deport men, women, and children suffering from horrific illnesses that will most likely lead to death once they're expulsed.
God commands to love your neighbor. At other times He commands to kill and destroy. I think a person can be in favor of enforcing the border and even going to war, while still giving aid and helping impoverished people with private funds. The part we disagree on is whether I can decide for you how much of your money should be given away or whether that right is reserved to you. I don't see Jesus as a communist and I don't believe those who don't give to every beggar they meet are necessarily going to come under condemnation in the next world for it. It's a personal relationship between you and God and no other human being should be able to interfere with that. Anyway, that's how you get a result where someone on a personal level has given a lot to Latin American people but believes in enforcing the border.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
ajax18 wrote:If you're not willing to enforce the law then the fair thing to do is open the border up to everyone.
I'd invade Mexico and seize the assets of their wealthy to pay for all the poverty they've dumped in our country.
Not Christlike, too bad.
Well, at least you have the honesty to admit you are not Christlike. We already knew that, but are somewhat surprised by you unabashedly and even proudly admitting it!
None are more guilty of the poverty that exists in our country than the wealthy of our own country or, for that matter, the poverty that exists in Latin America. We have already discussed in detail on this forum the role of wealthy American corporations in helping to create the very poverty and despotism that is driving so many Latin American people to flee to our borders to seek asylum and relief. If any wealthy deserve to be invaded and held to account for American poverty (and even, to a significant extent, Latin American poverty) and have their assets seized, it is our own wealthy!
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
God commands to love your neighbor. At other times He commands to kill and destroy.
I strongly and indignantly reject the notion that God has ever commanded anyone to kill and destroy. There is no credible justification for concluding that the claims in the Old Testament that God commanded Israelites to invade, kill and destroy other tribes (like the Amalekites, for example) were anything other than excuses invented by the Israelites, after the fact, to justify and salve their consciences for atrocities that they or their ancestors had already committed.
One of the most popular justifications despots and conquerors claim for their atrocities is "God told me to do it." Nothing deserves more scorn and skepticism than such claims.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
ajax18 wrote:I'd invade Mexico and seize the assets of their wealthy to pay for all the poverty they've dumped in our country.
Not Christlike, too bad.
Should we seize the assets of the wealthy in this country and use it to pay for the poverty of our own citizens?
Given your posted thoughts on just the relatively mild current US progressive taxation system, you seem to have conflicted views on ‘wealth redistribution’, depending upon the country in question.