2. Thus, although we have no evidence that Jesus behaved similarly, he must have done so.
The unexpressed linking clause is, of course:
3. We may deduce the behaviour of Jesus by observing the behaviour of the CoJCoLDS.
In fact - leave Jesus out of it. Just follow the Prophet and the Brethren. That's true Christianity.
Do you have any examples of Christian churches that better follow Jesus's example as you see it in finances?
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
Worrying about “my money” is pretty much the antithesis of everything Jesus teaches in the Bible. Whatever labels apply to your religious beliefs, “Christian” ain’t one of them.
I believe Jesus commands us to be good stewards of our property as well. The LDS church is certainly very careful with its money. I think you would find Jesus was careful with His money as well if we were to know more about His life.
Stewardship isn’t about taking care of “my stuff.” It’s an obligation to others.
You’re just creating God in your own image — something believers have been doing for millennia.
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
Ajax, let's focus on what you are condoning in this thread: the government deliberately murdering innocent people, many of them children, rather than continue to compassionately continue giving them life-saving humanitarian treatment, merely because they are immigrants. This is beyond outrageous, and there is no way you can condone this without being, in effect, an accessory to murder. It is nearly as wicked as standing by and doing nothing while watching a friend murder someone just because that someone happened to be homeless or undocumented. For the government to continue this compassionate program instead of trying to end it is nothing but commendable, and the cost of doing so is miniscule compared to some of the unnecessary things the government wastes money on (such as corporate welfare and subsidies to the obscenely wealthy). Continuing to help these people costs you nothing, does not hurt the economy, and potentially provides great benefits because some of these people are participating in medical research that is a great boon to all humanity. I could hardly have a lower opinion of you if you advocated euthanasia for all cancer patients too poor to pay the enormous costs of cancer therapy!
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No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
Res Ipsa wrote:Stewardship isn’t about taking care of “my stuff.” It’s an obligation to others.
You’re just creating God in your own image — something believers have been doing for millennia.
Yeah! That too!
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
ajax18 wrote: I think you would find Jesus was careful with His money as well if we were to know more about His life.
I just feel a need to step in here. According to scripture, Jesus was a homeless man on public assistance.
If we needed to know more, it would have survived the combining and selection of scripture unless you think that the Lord didn't finish the job when he said he did.
Which is another case altogether and not one that I'm going to debate with you or anyone else here.
Also, it looks like you are looking for loopholes in commandments. If I am not mistaken, commandments are non-negotiable. You either hold you up your end of the binding contract that you made or you don't.
Again, not going to argue this out with anyone.
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) now says it will reopen certain medical deferred action cases, including for a number of Boston-area immigrants who previously received denial letters.
The announcement comes after a tumultuous week in which federal agencies contradicted one another and severely ill patients feared a total end to the humanitarian process that allows immigrants to remain longer in the U.S. while they receive medical treatment.On Friday, 127 members of Congress, led by Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren and Sen. Ed Markey, along with Rep. Ayanna Pressley, sent a letter to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, USCIS and ICE, urging the Trump administration to reinstate the program. The letter gives the administration until Sept. 13 to provide details about the decision around ending the program.
WBUR first reported the apparent end of medical deferred action last week. After reporting on the denial letters, USCIS told WBUR that Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) was taking over medical deferred action requests.
But the next day, sources at ICE said they were blindsided by the change and had no policy or program in place to handle these requests. The denial letters we reviewed had no mention of a new policy being administered by ICE. On Friday, an ICE statement confirmed the requests are no longer an option.
Following ICE's statement, U.S. Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Reform, announced the Subcommittee on Civil Rights and Civil Liberties will hold a hearing scheduled for Sept. 6 about the "apparent revocation of medical deferred action for critically ill children."
In its first press release on the matter, USCIS said Monday that anyone whose case was pending as of Aug. 7 will have their request reopened and reprocessed.
The government never issued any sort of public notification about the end of medical deferred action, but instead, in an email, told the American Immigration Lawyers Association:
"The change became effective on August 7, 2019. USCIS field offices are informing the public of the change in person on an individual basis."
Legal advocates across the country have reported clients receiving similar denial letters from USCIS — none of which mention the agency's claim that requests would be processed by ICE.
On Friday, 127 members of Congress, led by Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren and Sen. Ed Markey, along with Rep. Ayanna Pressley, sent a letter to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, USCIS and ICE, urging the Trump administration to reinstate the program. The letter gives the administration until Sept. 13 to provide details about the decision around ending the program.
The Boston-based Irish International Immigrant Center has several clients affected by the end of medical deferred action. Executive Director Ronnie Millar said Monday that the announcement from USCIS gives some hope to families who received denial letters, but he said it doesn't go far enough.
"This announcement does little to correct the injustice of ending deferred action, and only delays the cruel effects of the government's decision," he said. "We all remain concerned that the government is ending this life-saving program."
Thanks to concern expressed by many members of Congress, there is still hope for those placed in jeopardy by cancelation of the program.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
To be fair, Trump himself might not have been aware of the details and consequences of cancelation of this program and probably did not directly order it, but this cancelation is certainly in line with the hard line approach to immigration advocated by Trump and some of his principal advisors, like Stephen Miller.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
ajax18 wrote:When does the nation draw a line on handouts? Is $20 trillion in debt not enough?
We are now over $22.5 trillion in debt. Link I know that Hannity basically no longer talks about the National debt since Trump became President.
You can be sure he will immediately resume talking and complaining about the National debt as soon as a Democrat is elected President.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
I just feel a need to step in here. According to scripture, Jesus was a homeless man on public assistance.
I didn't know they had welfare back then? Did the Romans tax and redistribute this welfare or was it the Jews?
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.