Rules of Patheos: Midgley appears to violate TOS 10x

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Dr. LOD,

I’m genuinely moved by you sharing your cousin’s hardships and unfortunate death. I feel unnerved at the thought of having to experience something like that with a child or family member. What you’ve done, to empathetically attend al-anon and AA meetings is very important, and goes a long, long way toward building understanding regarding a host of issues that drive people toward addiction and coping with life through escapism.

To suggest, like that raving lunatic did, that attending church is the solution to the mental and emotional turmoil that drives compulsory behavior is just so obtuse, emotionally regressed, and frankly kind of hateful.

Mr. Peterson allowing The Midge a public forum to indulge in his viciousness is crushing the Church’s reputation. How BYU and the Church continue giving those two a platform for their rage campaigns is mystifying.

BYU professors. Priesthood holders. Public faces of the Mormon church.

- Doc

[_Lemmie]

I don’t think he’s wrong. If he was, then midgley would have taken a second to recognize that Dr VelhoBurrinho mentioned losing a cousin two days ago to such a struggle. I don’t post on SeN, so I can’t comment, but my heart goes out to him, and I hope someone can acknowledge his comment and offer some kindness.

Midgley’s unChristlike attitude toward anyone outside his church or who has a different opinion than him is well-established. Midgley is an unkind, mean-spirited bully, and he uses the Mormon church as an excuse to continue behaving this way. His daughter may help him out with his bookkeeping but I would hope she’s not okay with his angry contempt for all those humans he considers less than himself. His name-calling alone (“little old donkey” instead of the commenter’s given avatar name is only one example) would get him thrown out of my University.

Thanks guys, Midgley is really a sorry excuse for a person much less a “Saint” like he claims to be. The only consolation is soon he will be either blabbering in a nursing home, or passed away. He has been a useful idiot for for past church leadership as a polemic apologist. But even that support is getting thinner and thinner. I have a Sunday dinner with a GA. This certainly will be discussed.

Yes on Thursday morning a cousin of mine was found at home dead. She has had some health problems as well as mental health struggles. Recently I learned how she was molested by her father. And also the multiple times over the past forty years church leaders did nothing when they could have. In addition there are at least five more underage girls who were victimized.

I’m so sorry hear that. And shame on the LDS church leaders, who, yet again, let the abuse go on when they could have stopped it. What an intolerable burden to have to bear. My heart goes out to you and your family.

I’m glad you will have an opportunity to speak to someone about this. There are way too many people like midgley blaming mental health and addiction issues on lack of church attendance, without recognizing the possibility that issues within the LDS church could be part of the underlying cause.

[_Dr LOD]

Dr. LOD,

I’m genuinely moved by you sharing your cousin’s hardships and unfortunate death. I feel unnerved at the thought of having to experience something like that with a child or family member. What you’ve done, to empathetically attend al-anon and AA meetings is very important, and goes a long, long way toward building understanding regarding a host of issues that drive people toward addiction and coping with life through escapism.

To suggest, like that raving lunatic did, that attending church is the solution to the mental and emotional turmoil that drives compulsory behavior is just so obtuse, emotionally regressed, and frankly kind of hateful.

Mr. Peterson allowing The Midge a public forum to indulge in his viciousness is crushing the Church’s reputation. How BYU and the Church continue giving those two a platform for their rage campaigns is mystifying.

BYU professors. Priesthood holders. Public faces of the Mormon church.

- Doc

Thanks,
On Thursday shortly after finding out about the death of my cousin. I had a child come into clinic whom obviously had some severe non-accidental injuries, along with a BS story from a parent. As of now he is still in a ICU, and the adult who injured him is in jail.

I was feeling kind of raw and pissed at the time. And I actually commend Dan for his post and discussion so I felt a little more open with my first post. Then Midge in his emotional immaturity went and dumped on the whole post. I went with the being open and vulnerable angle, to see what reaction he would have. Instead he dug into his Mormon Dannite superhero persona. I would like to think it is related to his old age. But reading his so called scholarly work I really think what we see on SEN is really him.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I think the thing that mystifies me is the notion, by Dr. Peterson, that religion is a cure for substance abuse. AA, NA, OA, and others have spectacular recidivism rates estimated at over 90%.

Ok, so it's not faith that's the cure, nor a prescribed set of rites that must be practiced as found within recovery groups. It's a centralized religion or a faith based around religious clergy that can guide one's path! If that's the case then why would any member of a religion where it's practiced fall into addiction in the first place? Millions of faithful types have become sex, drug, food, work, and alcohol addicts. Why didn't religion keep them from going astray?

Ok. So perhaps it boils down to choices coupled with professional help. But our resident BYU professor, priesthood holder, and victim himself of addict-like behavior plants a flag in the ground along with that vicious little troll he let's post on his blog, and declares, "There's nothing like the old timey religion to cure what ails ya!"

eta: It should be noted that Mr. Peterson, feverishly following this thread decided to offer a few kind words to Dr. LOD only after noticing Lemmie's post and her saying this:

I don’t post on SeN, so I can’t comment, but my heart goes out to him, and I hope someone can acknowledge his comment and offer some kindness..

- Doc

[_Philo Sofee]

I wish the very best for you and your family at this time also Dr. LOD......

[_Doctor Scratch]

Boy,this is something else:

I very much appreciate Dan 's loving remarks about his father, and especially about his participation in the liberation of the death camp at Mauthausen on the Donau. My wife and I have visited that terrible place where 320,000 were sent up the stack. My wife refused to visit Poland because she knew that we would visit Auschwitz, where the numbers that went up the stack were in the millions. But the Midgleys, with friends and family, have been to Mauthausen a half dozen or more times. I somehow feel it a duty to visit that terrible place, as well as a tiny empty place in Heidelberg where the Jews once worshipped.

And Misha, my dear Russian secular Jewish friend, once made it possible for me and my granddaughter to visit Theresienstadt, which I very much appreciated. And later Misha also took a group of us to the place where that Swedish diplomat who gave Hungarian Jews diplomatic passports so they could escape to Sweden is memorialized. The memorial is a very large round stone with all the names of those he saved inscribed on it. That very honorable fellow was killed by the Russians for his good deeds.

When Dan mentions the employment that his father's construction company provided for family and many others, and still does, it reminded me of my own father's engineering company, which my brother and brother-in-law joined and enhanced as Midgley-Huber, which now has offices in Salt Lake City and Boise, Idaho. But my father never once urged me to find my way in his rather lucrative family business. He was, instead, pleased about the academic path I sought.

I am confident that Dan's father and his brother are also very pleased with the academic path taken by Dan.

A couple of points are worth making here, I think: first, victims of the Holocaust are referred to here as "numbers that went up the stack?" I don't even know where to begin with that one. You can't make this stuff up.

Second, it does not surprise me in they slightest that Midgley is the product of a "rather lucrative family business"--just like Dr. Peterson. These were both well-off, privileged, white male brats. And they still are, to this day.

This tidbit, from Peterson's main entry, memorializing his late father, was striking:

It [i.e., his father's construction business] provided employment for a fairly large number of men (most of them Mexican-Americans), some of whom became almost extended family for me.

DCP has posted--quite literally--tens of thousands and perhaps hundreds of thousands of blog posts, comments, and so forth. Have you ever heard--even once--of him hanging out with a Latinx person--let alone, treating a Mexican-American like an "extended family" member? Were Juan, Jorge, and Armando invited to the last Interpreter party? What about the last Smithmas party? (Or are they not invited because they're Catholic?) Perhaps the lone time I've ever seen him even describe "contact" or interaction with a Latin American person was when he got caught ogling Jennifer Lopez's rear-end on Facebook. I'm calling BS on this particular claim.

[_Philo Sofee]

Let us remember Peterson has to assure that he is seen as the all around cultural, political, economical, intellectual, sabbatical, suaveical, jovialical, saneical, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saintical, baldingical, humorical, travelerical, holyical, psychological, well traveledical, apologetical, Islamical, Mormonical, renaissance man to ever grace the earth... He is trying to impress God, and quite frankly its farcical.

[_moksha]

Let us remember Peterson has to assure that he is seen as the all around cultural, political, economical, intellectual, sabbatical, suaveical, jovialical, saneical, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saintical, baldingical, humorical, travelerical, holyical, psychological, well traveledical, apologetical, Islamical, Mormonical, renaissance man to ever grace the earth... He is trying to impress God, and quite frankly its farcical.

I've been impressed with Dr. Peterson and his accomplishments. He is a very well rounded individual.

Dr. Peterson is the other that Jesus asked us to love.

[_I have a question]

Boy,this is something else:

I very much appreciate Dan 's loving remarks about his father, and especially about his participation in the liberation of the death camp at Mauthausen on the Donau. My wife and I have visited that terrible place where 320,000 were sent up the stack. My wife refused to visit Poland because she knew that we would visit Auschwitz, where the numbers that went up the stack were in the millions. But the Midgleys, with friends and family, have been to Mauthausen a half dozen or more times. I somehow feel it a duty to visit that terrible place, as well as a tiny empty place in Heidelberg where the Jews once worshipped.

And Misha, my dear Russian secular Jewish friend, once made it possible for me and my granddaughter to visit Theresienstadt, which I very much appreciated. And later Misha also took a group of us to the place where that Swedish diplomat who gave Hungarian Jews diplomatic passports so they could escape to Sweden is memorialized. The memorial is a very large round stone with all the names of those he saved inscribed on it. That very honorable fellow was killed by the Russians for his good deeds.

When Dan mentions the employment that his father's construction company provided for family and many others, and still does, it reminded me of my own father's engineering company, which my brother and brother-in-law joined and enhanced as Midgley-Huber, which now has offices in Salt Lake City and Boise, Idaho. But my father never once urged me to find my way in his rather lucrative family business. He was, instead, pleased about the academic path I sought.

I am confident that Dan's father and his brother are also very pleased with the academic path taken by Dan.

A couple of points are worth making here, I think: first, victims of the Holocaust are referred to here as "numbers that went up the stack?" I don't even know where to begin with that one. You can't make this stuff up.

Wikipedia's description of that process is by the time the first American troops arrived at the complex of camps, most of the SS guards had fled, the prisoners had mostly liberated themselves, and the few SS that remained simply surrendered.

By the time of its liberation, most of the SS-men of Mauthausen had already fled; around 30 who remained were killed by the prisoners,[100] and a similar number were killed in Gusen II.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauthause ... r_heritage

As a result of these factors, the exact death toll of the entire system of Mauthausen and its subcamps varies considerably from source to source. Various scholars place it at between 122,766[note 9] and 320,000,[67] with other numbers also frequently quoted being 200,000[85] and "over 150,000".[86] Various historians place the total death toll in the four main camps of Mauthausen, Gusen I, Gusen II and Gusen III at between 55,000[41] and 60,000.[87][note 10] In addition, during the first month after the liberation additional 1,042 prisoners died in American field hospitals.[88]

Out of approximately 320,000 prisoners who were incarcerated in various subcamps of Mauthausen throughout the war, only approximately 80,000 survived,[89] including between 20,487[88] and 21,386[90][note 11] in Gusen I, II and III.

[_Doctor Scratch]

Allen:
This is exactly gemli's narrow world. At one point he announced that Dan's blog was not the place for those he calls "Mormons" to talk about family and fellow Latter-day Saints, but to demonstrate how "Mormonism" mangles reality. He might be a nice fellow who does not kill his neighbor's dogs for fun, and does not rob banks or even be on drugs. So he is not a menace to himself and his neighbors. But that is about the best one can say about his dogmatic religion.