The ldsfaqs / Climate Change MEGATHREAD

[_EAllusion]

What are the odds that anthropogenic climate change is a serious threat, evolutionary theory is broadly correct, and there is little evidence that women in aggregate are inherently inferior at math? Riddle me that poindexter. Can't all be the case.

That is a bit of a strawman, isn't it? Harris's point is that knee-jerk conformity to your chosen party on every issue is silly. How is that controversial?

No, he makes a specific argument about how unlikely it would be to self-sort into two boxes of people where one group is all right and the other is all wrong. Party isn’t even the focus. He is arguing that it’s likely they are wrong on some issues but right on others. This is awfully convenient for a person whose “alt-light” views cross mainstream conservative and liberal boundaries.

The “two boxes” part goes to how he overstates the ideological coherence of the dipole political spectrum. The other part I am mocking here, which is that it is plausible for people to be lined up on the right or wrong side of a series of independent issues.

[_EAllusion]

I've seen a flood of articles from hawks on the recent diplomatic crisis in the Middle East arguing the US needs to be militarily active for "Saudi Arabian oil." I have never, ever seen an equivalent of this for renewable energy. We have not propped up a totalitarian regime to keep wind cheap on the global market. This carries an expense. It's not just in the expense of having aircraft carriers in the region, but in downstream costs of things like the US backing a fundamentalist dictatorship as well. This is a form of subsidy for fossil fuels. So when when someone says that fossil fuels are just being attacked and "held back" around the globe, I can't help but laugh.

[_ldsfaqs]

Fraud From The Union Of Concerned Scientists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tCKTkwtQyk

This video shows among other things how the above group is claiming the Midwest is "hotter than ever", and we MUST switch to alternative energy sources or we will burn to death.
This video shows with the actual DATA from Temperature stations that that claim is absolutely false. That the "opposite" is in fact occurring.

by the way, NONE of you have "debunked" ANYTHING I've posted.
All you have done is:

1. Engaged in personal attacks of me and Heller
2. Posted some claimed debunking that has occurred in the past with Heller, as if that debunks EVERYTHING he has done. And it's further not even true, you just BELIEVE it's a debunking, you spend no effort to actually study his responses on it etc.. Sure, not that he's never "not" made a mistake, he has a couple of times, but your sources are false almost 100% of the time.
3. Only ONCE did you debunk anything I posted, and that was once I posted a bunch of Images I found on the internet related to Global Cooling, and ONE of them was fake.

Try again...

[_Maksutov]

Fraud From The Union Of Concerned Scientists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tCKTkwtQyk

This video shows among other things how the above group is claiming the Midwest is "hotter than ever", and we MUST switch to alternative energy sources or we will burn to death.
This video shows with the actual DATA from Temperature stations that that claim is absolutely false. That the "opposite" is in fact occurring.

by the way, NONE of you have "debunked" ANYTHING I've posted.
All you have done is:

1. Engaged in personal attacks of me and Heller
2. Posted some claimed debunking that has occurred in the past with Heller, as if that debunks EVERYTHING he has done. And it's further not even true, you just BELIEVE it's a debunking, you spend no effort to actually study his responses on it etc.. Sure, not that he's never "not" made a mistake, he has a couple of times, but your sources are false almost 100% of the time.
3. Only ONCE did you debunk anything I posted, and that was once I posted a bunch of Images I found on the internet related to Global Cooling, and ONE of them was fake.

Try again...

Sorry, dude, we don't believe you.

Why? Not just because we understand the science better. It's because you've lied so many times and so fanatically. That's your legacy. For YEARS. Own it.

Now show us some fancy name-callin'.

[_Gunnar]

Faqs, you still have no plausible answer to any of these questions: http://www.mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=52296&p=1197109#p1196887

The idea that the overwhelming majority of the world's climate scientists would deliberately raise false alarms about global warming when shilling for big oil would be far more remunerative, and incur less conservative wrath and death threats is beyond irrational. It is approximately on the same rational and intellectual plane as insisting the world is flat and that the round earth consensus is a Satanic hoax! What makes you think that these scientists would be paid less for their research or be less respected if honest reporting of that research clearly showed that there were no global warming crisis?

The goal of all scientific research is to gain an understanding of how the world works. There is no built in financial incentive for them to misrepresent their conclusions. The fossil fuel industry, on the other hand, has an enormous financial incentive to reject findings that their product is damaging to our civilization and our environment. The well documented fact that the organizations and scientists that shill for the fossil fuel companies, in their disinformation campaign to discredit global warming, are the same dishonest entities still used by Big Tobacco to falsely deny the dangers of tobacco use should tell you something!

Please read Merchants of Doubt, by Naomi Oreskes and Erik Conway.

[_Res Ipsa]

Fraud From The Union Of Concerned Scientists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tCKTkwtQyk

This video shows among other things how the above group is claiming the Midwest is "hotter than ever", and we MUST switch to alternative energy sources or we will burn to death.
This video shows with the actual DATA from Temperature stations that that claim is absolutely false. That the "opposite" is in fact occurring.

by the way, NONE of you have "debunked" ANYTHING I've posted.
All you have done is:

1. Engaged in personal attacks of me and Heller
2. Posted some claimed debunking that has occurred in the past with Heller, as if that debunks EVERYTHING he has done. And it's further not even true, you just BELIEVE it's a debunking, you spend no effort to actually study his responses on it etc.. Sure, not that he's never "not" made a mistake, he has a couple of times, but your sources are false almost 100% of the time.
3. Only ONCE did you debunk anything I posted, and that was once I posted a bunch of Images I found on the internet related to Global Cooling, and ONE of them was fake.

Try again...

You didn’t answer my question. Will you promise to stick around and discuss the evidence?

[_Themis]

You didn’t answer my question. Will you promise to stick around and discuss the evidence?

He never will, but the value of your time is for not for the willingly ignorant, but those who don't know but are more open minded.

[_canpakes]

... the above group is claiming the Midwest is "hotter than ever", and we MUST switch to alternative energy sources or we will burn to death.

Burn to death, eh?

CFR.

No one has said any such thing.

Now, don’t be such a liary lying liar. Not just because it’s the immoral thing to do, but because you’re so bad at it. : D

[_Res Ipsa]

... the above group is claiming the Midwest is "hotter than ever", and we MUST switch to alternative energy sources or we will burn to death.

Burn to death, eh?

CFR.

No one has said any such thing.

Now, don’t be such a liary lying liar. Not just because it’s the immoral thing to do, but because you’re so bad at it. : D

You should include “hotter than ever” in your CFR. It doesn’t appear on the website.

[_Analytics]

I've seen a flood of articles from hawks on the recent diplomatic crisis in the Middle East arguing the US needs to be militarily active for "Saudi Arabian oil." I have never, ever seen an equivalent of this for renewable energy. We have not propped up a totalitarian regime to keep wind cheap on the global market. This carries an expense. It's not just in the expense of having aircraft carriers in the region, but in downstream costs of things like the US backing a fundamentalist dictatorship as well. This is a form of subsidy for fossil fuels. So when when someone says that fossil fuels are just being attacked and "held back" around the globe, I can't help but laugh.

Excellent point, but it makes me want to cry.