Could this happen? Airing of grievances & simple apologies?

[_Ceeboo]

That said, all of these people we have been fighting with are human beings, and it is important to remember that. I like to think of their good points as often as I can because they definitely have their good points.

We should always think of how we might do better by our opponents than they do by us. We may be wrong in imagining we have succeeded, but we will all be better off for trying.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I believe Mr. Peterson has the ability to mark posts as spam. I’ve noticed a few posts here and there go from readable to ‘marked as spam’ and essentially deleted from view. He is, in fact, reading everything and moderating tightly.

- Doc

In fairness my understanding is that some of that is handled automatically through Disqus's flagging system, then the moderator has to go back and approve those comments manually. Not to say Peterson isn't moderating them, just that it isn't a given if you see "marked as spam".

What does that mean so I don’t have to pretend I know what that means?

Eta: https://help.disqus.com/en/articles/171 ... g-comments

also

https://help.disqus.com/en/articles/171 ... or-removed

I just find it really peculiar the ones experiencing this issue aren’t within Dan’s ‘vector’.

- Doc

[Guest]

What does that mean so I don’t have to pretend I know what that means?

- Doc

It has been a hot minute since I moderated anything through Disqus but when I did if enough users flag a comment (see example of flagging below) it would automatically go into a "pending" state that a moderator then has to go push it out of, either approving or removing the post. During that pending state is when you see both "marked as spam" or "comment awaiting moderation". There was some internal logic at Disqus as to when enough reports triggered this auto-moderation but I don't have a lot of insight into that other than anecdotal experience and general knowledge of how other companies do it.

I should note that I don't think ignorance of the comments is much of a defense for DCP when it comes to the bet as it is pretty evident how often he reads both the comments there and here. Just pointing out that seeing that messaging isn't a perfect indication of tight moderation.



ETA: I see you got it. As to this line:

I just find it really peculiar the ones experiencing this issue aren’t within Dan’s ‘vector’.

Lots of mods will sit on pending actions for posters they don't really care for.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Doesn’t the mod have to actually take the flagged post reported as spam and mark it as such so it disappears from the comments section if it isn’t automatically removed by Disqus filters?

- Doc

[_Xenophon]

Doesn’t the mod have to actually take the flagged post reported as spam and mark it as such so it disappears from the comments section if it isn’t automatically removed by Disqus filters?

- Doc

My experience was that if enough posters flagged a particular post or you triggered some specific thing Disqus auto-flags for it would be hidden until a mod took action. I think the language in the links you provided confirms that.

Comments marked as spam
Comments are removed from public view (or "disappear") when they are filtered as spam, whether manually by a site moderator or automatically by our system.

ETA: I should say it has been roughly 2 years since I modded through Disqus so my experience obviously may not reflect current practices.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I think you’re suggesting a poster flagging a post as spam, or if a post trips the spam filter through site algorithms, will remove said post until a mod unflags it.

I’m saying posts are only filtered as spam by a site moderator or automatically by Disqus’ system, regardless of who reports it.

Either way, I don’t see how Dan can’t unflag a post that, say, has been hidden by the system. I don’t believe he can claim not knowing about a flag since he tightly moderates his blog. He also receives notices as a mod depending on how he himself has set his notifications.

- Doc

[_Xenophon]

Either way, I don’t see how Dan can’t unflag a post that, say, has been hidden by the system. I don’t believe he can claim not knowing about a flag since he tightly moderates his blog. He also receives notices as a mod depending on how he himself has set his notifications.

This part we are in total agreement on.

[_Lemmie]

Posted approximately 4 pm today:

Discussion on Sic et Non 113 comments
Affixing blame for the Mountain Meadows Massace
DanielPeterson

DanielPeterson Sledge an hour ago

Sledge:

I'm not unsympathetic to your characterization of a certain place. (More than perhaps any other living person, I have reason to share your view of it.)

However, I'm trying to encourage more moderate expressions on the subject here. There is something substantial riding on that increased moderation and, anyway, heightening the difference in tone and substance between this place and that other place seems to me an obviously good thing.

So I'm asking you to forego language like "hate site" in describing that place. Please? Thanks in advance.

[_Lemmie]

What does that mean so I don’t have to pretend I know what that means?

- Doc

It has been a hot minute since I moderated anything through Disqus but when I did if enough users flag a comment (see example of flagging below) it would automatically go into a "pending" state that a moderator then has to go push it out of, either approving or removing the post. During that pending state is when you see both "marked as spam" or "comment awaiting moderation". There was some internal logic at Disqus as to when enough reports triggered this auto-moderation but I don't have a lot of insight into that other than anecdotal experience and general knowledge of how other companies do it.

I should note that I don't think ignorance of the comments is much of a defense for DCP when it comes to the bet as it is pretty evident how often he reads both the comments there and here. Just pointing out that seeing that messaging isn't a perfect indication of tight moderation.



ETA: I see you got it. As to this line:

I just find it really peculiar the ones experiencing this issue aren’t within Dan’s ‘vector’.

Lots of mods will sit on pending actions for posters they don't really care for.

That line in your screenshot about flagging a post for “targeted harassment— hate speech targeting groups” is fascinating.

(Not to mention that a majority of Midgley’s comments should really be flagged for his targeted harassment of Gemli. Gemli takes it in stride but WOW. )

[_Lemmie]

....We should always think of how we might do better by our opponents than they do by us. We may be wrong in imagining we have succeeded, but we will all be better off for trying.

In theory, an excellent point.

In practice, my heart goes out to gemli. He has done better by Midgley than Midgley has ever done by him, and yet, there are still probably more than a hundred severely defaming comments about his personal life that Peterson has left up on SeN, his religious site celebrating Mormon life. And by defaming I don’t mean cutesy little innuendos. I mean brutally rude, stunningly inappropriate comments about every private aspect of gemli’s personal, professional, emotional, and educational life and history. Midgley’s comments, always allowed by Peterson, are truly, truly sick. They are hurtful, ugly, and mean-spirited. You really have to be a bully to come up with what midgley posts, and Peterson gives that bully an open, lds-sanctioned, Mormon-approved pulpit.

So yes, let’s remember midgley is also a person. A person who represents himself as the pinnacle of a god-approved life, who treats other persons outside of his religion like crap. I think it’s time to admit that in this case, the trying to do better by our opponents may not apply to those pathological outliers like midgley. He deserves no respect.

I prefer to remember that gemli is also a person, who in no way deserves to be treated as Midgley treats him.