Trump whistleblower complaint

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EAllusion wrote:[

That initially did signal that there might be some daylight for Republicans to seriously consider letting Trump go down, but since then several GOP senators have made it very clear that they are clearing Trump no matter what. There's also now a unified talking point in right-wing messaging, being echoed by Republican Senators that goes something like, "This partial summary of a call given by a group of notorious liars doesn't include an explicit quid pro quo, so Trump did nothing wrong..."

Those seem to be some fairly strong indicators where this is heading. To that talking point, I'm not sure if it makes more sense to argue that they are being obtuse about language and Trump clearly was connecting a this for that exchange or to point out that Trump doesn't need to offer anything for his pressuring to be deeply wrong.

What I am more clear on is that Trump has committed a very long list of impeachable offenses. This is just the one that the public has found easiest to grasp and is near the top of the most serious. Impeachment investigations should not leave any stone unturned. Once this makes it's way through Congress to Republicans probably letting Trump off the hook, that's it. There needs to be maximum scrutiny of Trump's willingness to use foreign allies to undermine elections up to the election or we have a not insignificant risk of that election being a sham.


Following up on this, McConnell has recently said, "“laughable to think this is anywhere close to an impeachable offense,” and, “If this is the ‘launching point’ for House Democrats’ impeachment process, they’ve already overplayed their hand.“

Gunnar is not wrong to think of him as a profoundly immoral cancer on our country.

You're almost certainly not going to get 20ish Republican Senators to peel off. You have to make impeachment about uncovering and communicating to country and the world.
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Part of the whistleblower complaint allegedly is that records of the phone call in question that we got a not-transcript about were deliberately recorded in a way that is atypical and less exact than such calls are normally done. This of course is what you do when you're about to have a call that is very legal and very cool.
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hey quick question(s)?
when you guys gonna be so passionate to see transcripts of,
1. Obamas phone calls with Iran right before those pallets of cash quietly showed up.
2. Biden's phone calls with China right before his non-experienced son got multi-billion deals from flying with his VP daddy.

we can wait....
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subgenius wrote:hey quick question(s)?
when you guys gonna be so passionate to see transcripts of,
1. Obamas phone calls with Iran right before those pallets of cash quietly showed up.
2. Biden's phone calls with China right before his non-experienced son got multi-billion deals from flying with his VP daddy.

we can wait....

Apparently, there’s no there there, given that Republicans have had every opportunity to do so and that President Rambling Babble has been whining nonstop for three years for someone to investigate, arrest or jail a good dozen or so Democratic pols and other random citizens.

You can wait. You’ve been waiting for a while now. You’ll be waiting still, long after Trump is gone.
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The acting director of national intelligence threatened to resign over concerns that the White House might attempt to force him to stonewall Congress when he testifies Thursday about an explosive whistleblower complaint about the president, according to current and former U.S. officials familiar with the matter.
Greg Miller, Shane Harris, Karoun Demirjian - The Washington Post - Wednesday, September 25, 2019
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Here's a fun example of the liberal media:

https://Twitter.com/mattmfm/status/1177175443335766016

The New York Times, in the biggest surprise ever, has already published an article whose theme is, "Impeaching Trump makes these swing voters love Trump even more!"

Yeah, it turns out those man on the street swing voters they are interviewing are die-hard Trump supporters that they've repeatedly interviewed for this story archetype. Random anecdotes wouldn't be helpful either, but this is a curated list of not-swing voters selected to fit a prewritten narrative. One of them went to 23 Trump rallies and wrote a book collecting her favorite Trump tweets. That's their representation of a "swing voter."

It's fascinating to me that they do this for a group of people who would drown them in a bathtub if they could.
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moksha wrote:
The acting director of national intelligence threatened to resign over concerns that the White House might attempt to force him to stonewall Congress when he testifies Thursday about an explosive whistleblower complaint about the president, according to current and former U.S. officials familiar with the matter.
Greg Miller, Shane Harris, Karoun Demirjian - The Washington Post - Wednesday, September 25, 2019


Acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire has denied an explosive Washington Post report claiming that he threatened to resign his position because he feared the Trump White House would try to prevent him from freely testifying before Congress this week.

“At no time have I considered resigning my position since assuming this role on Aug. 16, 2019,”


Just in case truth actually matters anymore in the world we now live in.
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EAllusion wrote:"Impeaching Trump makes these swing voters love Trump even more!"

Which is roughly equivalent to saying, The conditions that make people react idiotically were intensified today...
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Ceeboo wrote:Just in case truth actually matters anymore in the world we now live in.

Ceeboo, you've spent a significant % of your posting history advertising media that is 90% hysterical lies. We're in the middle of a scandal where lie after lie after lie is being exposed in the office of the Presidency - an office already known for pathological lying. When the Washington Post posts an anonymously sourced claim about the DNI that the DNI later comes out and refutes, this is the moment you choose to shoegaze and complain that it's like the truth doesn't even matter anymore?
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Everybody who wants to take a serious part in this discussion needs to read the whistleblower's actual complaint document, posted here;

https://intelligence.house.gov/uploaded ... nclass.pdf

Here are the pages of the main document ... follow the link to read the appendix.

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