The nation is close to dead

[_Jersey Girl]

Does anyone have an idea about what else it would take to 25A this guy?

The civil war retweet wasn't enough? Trying to find out the identity of the whistleblower wasn't enough? Accusing everyone and their dog of treason isn't enough? Shooting immigrants in the legs to "slow them down" isn't enough?

What, does he have to break loose with an AR in the Oval Office?

[_EAllusion]

Does anyone have an idea about what else it would take to 25A this guy?

More than it would to impeach him. If he could be removed via 25th amendment, he could've been impeached first. He has probably the most serious impeachable offenses in American history sitting right out in the open. The only thing that is stopping him from being removed from office is the will of 20ish Republican Senators. Those are the exact same people who would have to sign off on a 25 amendment route after you get a majority of his cabinet behind it.

[_Jersey Girl]

Does anyone have an idea about what else it would take to 25A this guy?

More than it would to impeach him. If he could be removed via 25th amendment, he could've been impeached first. He has probably the most serious impeachable offenses in American history sitting right out in the open. The only thing that is stopping him from being removed from office is the will of 20ish Republican Senators. Those are the exact same people who would have to sign off on a 25 amendment route after you get a majority of his cabinet behind it.

Thank you, EA. I understand about the senators and voting.

I suppose...he has to make the mother of all screw ups before it could result in a successful vote.

When I see what he's doing and saying, I think he's either completely out of his mind, so lacking insight/self awareness/executive function that he doesn't realize he sounds out of his mind (and ignorant) or that he's self-impeaching. Self-impeachment doesn't make sense in light of the SDNY investigation hanging over his head.

I don't think he even realizes how desperate and incompetent his operatives sound in defense of him. Giuliani, Miller, and Jordan...over the weekend--stumbling, dodging, equivocating--what a poor showing!

I've been following most of this but I am sure I have missed some events.

[_EAllusion]

I suppose...he has to make the mother of all screw ups before it could result in a successful vote.

He already did several times over.

[_EAllusion]

And remember, the call summary we have where Donald Trump engages in blatantly impeachable offenses that are a existential threat to democracy constitute the cleaner version they thought safe to release. Some clever folks timed having the conversation in the call summary at a reasonable pace and it was way shorter than the purported call length. Lord knows what is in the actual transcript, but there is a not insignificant chance it's longer and even worse.

This is an administration that has lied about almost every conceivable thing, and has never, ever failed to lie about damning information about themselves. The odds that the summary contains every damning item is excruciating low, and it already contains Donald Trump using the federal government to pressure a foreign head of state into trying to damage his political opposition with disinformation.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Jersey Girl,

Take your pick for impeachable offenses:

https://www.needtoimpeach.com/impeachable-offenses/

- Doc

[_ajax18]

He already did several times over.

As long as there are partisan Democrats lurking in these so called apolitical positions close enough to strike at the president, phony scandals will continue to be manufactured. None of these scandals have ever been about anything but undoing the 2016 election results. Usually Republicans won't fight this dirty, but I think they should once a Democrat wins the white house.

Do you think Pelosi has a plan in place to get rid of Pence as well? I've heard she does. I mean what good does it do you guys to get rid of Trump if you can't get rid of Pence? I think Pelosi has her eyes set on obtaining the presidency herself in this way since she can't win it in an election. She's not terribly popular outside of liberal California.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Does anyone have an idea about what else it would take to 25A this guy?

The civil war retweet wasn't enough? Trying to find out the identity of the whistleblower wasn't enough? Accusing everyone and their dog of treason isn't enough? Shooting immigrants in the legs to "slow them down" isn't enough?

What, does he have to break loose with an AR in the Oval Office?

Well. That tweet has inspired this kind of rhetoric from the Right:

https://mobile.Twitter.com/Oathkeepers/ ... -seriously

Here’s the money quote from that thread. This is the truth. This is where we are. We ARE on the verge of a HOT civil war. Like in 1859. That’s where we are. And the Right has ZERO trust or respect for anything the left is doing. We see THEM as illegitimate too.
@StewartRhodesOK

I don’t even know how to begin to unpack something like that. I was mentioning to my wife yesterday that after having been raised to respect and appreciate this country, to become an Eagle Scout, to spend 20 years in the military, it never would’ve occurred to me that the majority of Americans hate their own country and view the government as an adversary. I see this on both sides, but the Right seems to be the most serious about civil war. Crazy.

- Doc

[_Maxine Waters]

I don’t even know how to begin to unpack something like that. I was mentioning to my wife yesterday that after having been raised to respect and appreciate this country, to become an Eagle Scout, to spend 20 years in the military, it never would’ve occurred to me that the majority of Americans hate their own country and view the government as an adversary. I see this on both sides, but the Right seems to be the most serious about civil war. Crazy.

- Doc

I too have always been very respectful of this country that affords me and my constituents a monthly welfare check, EBT card, WIC, and section 8 housing. Ajax is just mad that he's always had to work for anything he got. You understand that we're forever entitled to free stuff because of the racial history of this country.

There's white nationalists up in the hills training to fight back. They seem to be tired of paying for other people to have kids. They don't understand that just because they didn't choose to have these kids doesn't mean they aren't just as responsible for providing for them as those that made this choice. I'm going to need people like you DocCam to protect my estate in California. You shouldn't have given up your guns. But don't worry, gun control laws have never stopped me and my constituents from arming themselves.

[_EAllusion]

I don’t even know how to begin to unpack something like that. I was mentioning to my wife yesterday that after having been raised to respect and appreciate this country, to become an Eagle Scout, to spend 20 years in the military, it never would’ve occurred to me that the majority of Americans hate their own country and view the government as an adversary. I see this on both sides, but the Right seems to be the most serious about civil war. Crazy.

- Doc

I too have always been very respectful of this country that affords me and my constituents a monthly welfare check, EBT card, WIC, and section 8 housing. Ajax is just mad that he's always had to work for anything he got. You understand that we're forever entitled to free stuff because of the racial history of this country.

There's white nationalists up in the hills training to fight back. They seem to be tired of paying for other people to have kids. They don't understand that just because they didn't choose to have these kids doesn't mean they aren't just as responsible for providing for them as those that made this choice. I'm going to need people like you DocCam to protect my estate in California. You shouldn't have given up your guns. But don't worry, gun control laws have never stopped me and my constituents from arming themselves.

If you run into Ajax at a white supremacist gathering, be sure to remind him that he is a self-admitted giant welfare queen.