Trump whistleblower complaint

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I know she’s a Jew and all, so she may not sit well with our neonazi and alt-right participants, but here goes anyway:

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She's probably a registered Democrat. Or a "Nevertrumper."
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The timeline is getting very interesting. The top lawyer in the CIA called the DOJ in mid-August to recommend a criminal investigation into the call. That’s weeks before the ass-covering text from the ambassador to the E.U. and the Johnson call to Trump. They knew they'd been caught red-handed, and were doing their best to cover it up.
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Res Ipsa wrote:The timeline is getting very interesting. The top lawyer in the CIA called the DOJ in mid-August to recommend a criminal investigation into the call. That’s weeks before the ass-covering text from the ambassador to the E.U. and the Johnson call to Trump. They knew they'd been caught red-handed, and were doing their best to cover it up.

If only they'd known Trump would admit on TV he wanted the bogus investigation. They could have saved the effort.
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subgenius wrote:Well, you have regurgitated this empty claim so many times over the past almost 3 years that it has lost all its teeth. How are you not embarrassed at how many times you have been wrong about American politics?...and your track record with "we got Trump this time" is becoming hilarious.


Quote me one time saying, "we got Trump this time." A consistent theme of my posts, including the very one you are quoting, is deep skepticism in the ability to hold Trump to account. Another is that pathological liars like you are an important part of why that is the case. This should not be confused with Trump getting caught engaging in one profoundly ethical and corrupt act after another.

A neat little aside here is that while you do your best to carry water for would-be autocrats by lying into the void on their behalf every chance you get, you probably know in some lizard part of your brain that they don't like who you are and would throw you under the bus the first chance they got. But as long as it seems to punish people you don't like, it does provide a sweet dopamine hit, doesn't it?
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Has anyone noticed that Trump actually got his quid pro quo? The Ukrainians will get their aid. The Ukrainian prosecutor announced he was "reviewing" the Bursima investigation. Not quite as good as he wanted, but expect him to be shouting about how Ukraine is now investigating the Bidens any minute now.
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Res Ipsa wrote:Has anyone noticed that Trump actually got his quid pro quo? The Ukrainians will get their aid. The Ukrainian prosecutor announced he was "reviewing" the Bursima investigation. Not quite as good as he wanted, but expect him to be shouting about how Ukraine is now investigating the Bidens any minute now.


I mean, sorta. They were after was a prewritten propaganda announcement made to look like it was independently coming from Ukraine. They aren't exactly getting that.
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EAllusion wrote:
Res Ipsa wrote:Has anyone noticed that Trump actually got his quid pro quo? The Ukrainians will get their aid. The Ukrainian prosecutor announced he was "reviewing" the Bursima investigation. Not quite as good as he wanted, but expect him to be shouting about how Ukraine is now investigating the Bidens any minute now.


I mean, sorta. They were after was a prewritten propaganda announcement made to look like it was independently coming from Ukraine. They aren't exactly getting that.


Yeah, but after all the "no quid pro quo" sturm und drang, Ukraine got weapons and Trump got an investigation. Kinda.
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The quid pro quo is a Republican distraction. It is irrelevant, like so much else going on right now with respect to the case.

Trump asked for foreign help to win an election. Game over.
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