Trump whistleblower complaint

[_EAllusion]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

Sounds not ideal.

[_Icarus]

Marco Rubio is laughing about all of this. He's saying he believes Trump was joking, and doing it on purpose to troll the media because he knew they'd freak out about it.

Again with this line. No matter what crimes Trump commits, it all gets turned back on the Libs.

Rubio is the same guy who told his audience back in 2016 that Trump was a con artist and no one should vote for a con artist. Now he's carrying the water for him.

[_moksha]

Rubio is the same guy who told his audience back in 2016 that Trump was a con artist and no one should vote for a con artist. Now he's carrying the water for him.

More like one of the guys who carried that piss bucket for the Sun King as he strolled the gardens od Versaille with his retinue.

[_canpakes]

Marco Rubio is laughing about all of this. He's saying he believes Trump was joking, and doing it on purpose to troll the media because he knew they'd freak out about it.

If Rubio is referring to the Ukraine call, then his statement is nonsensical. If trolling was a ‘plan’ then this quid pro quo request would have been plainly stated in public long ago, and would not have been part of a call destined to be hidden away on a server on the hopes that a random whistleblower might sound the alarm about it.

Rubio is the same guy who told his audience back in 2016 that Trump was a con artist and no one should vote for a con artist. Now he's carrying the water for him.

Well, they were conned, and folks who were conned hate to admit as much. He has to play along, now.

[_Gunnar]

It's sad how often it happens that people would rather continue being conned than admit to having been conned.

[_canpakes]

But as long as it seems to punish people you don't like, it does provide a sweet dopamine hit, doesn't it?

Lol. IK,R?

It’s pretty remarkable how Trump’s ascendency has prompted so many within his Base to expose themselves as such petty, bitter, angry and fragile critters.

Trump will soon be gone - either in one year or 5 - and his agenda will be rolled back and repaired, but these folks will have sacrificed their reputation and integrity for life in his name.

And of all the people to do that for, and for all the reasons to do so, they chose that guy, and his values. He’s their idol and their compass.

Bizarre.

[_MeDotOrg]

Marco Rubio is laughing about all of this. He's saying he believes Trump was joking, and doing it on purpose to troll the media because he knew they'd freak out about it.

If Rubio is referring to the Ukraine call, then his statement is nonsensical. If trolling was a ‘plan’ then this quid pro quo request would have been plainly stated in public long ago, and would not have been part of a call destined to be hidden away on a server on the hopes that a random whistleblower might sound the alarm about it.

Rubio is the same guy who told his audience back in 2016 that Trump was a con artist and no one should vote for a con artist. Now he's carrying the water for him.

Well, they were conned, and folks who were conned hate to admit as much. He has to play along, now.

I think it was a colder political calculation than simply being conned. But you are spot on observing that people are loathe to admit how wrong they were about Trump. This is going to be the biggest challenge of impeachment: Not the overwhelming evidence, but the internal battle that Senators will experience in facing how much they miscalculated in supporting the President.

[_Some Schmo]

Marco Rubio is laughing about all of this. He's saying he believes Trump was joking, and doing it on purpose to troll the media because he knew they'd freak out about it.

Again with this line. No matter what crimes Trump commits, it all gets turned back on the Libs.

The correct response there was to say that you aren't allowed to joke about bombs with TSA, either. And this is the President (at least, that's the story).

Moron.

[_EAllusion]

You have to remember that early Republican criticism of Trump came when they thought he might actually be serious about his positions on entitlements, health care, gun control, etc.

When Trump turned out to be a plutocrat's wetdream with his "moderate" positions a lie, that helped clear up some reservations many had about him and endeared him to them. When you ask yourself "what changed?" when it comes to certain obsequious Republicans, the answer isn't Trump's institutional takeover of the RNC. The answer is that Trump supported rolling back government funding of healthcare and deep tax cuts for the rich. That's what changed.

Trump will soon be gone - either in one year or 5 - and his agenda will be rolled back and repaired

Oh, I'm not certain that is going to happen. Trump will be gone, but I don't know if his agenda will be rolled back or repaired. That's very much in doubt. There's a false narrative out there that Republicans are just waiting to cast aside Trump, but feel suppressed by his popularity among their voters. I think the reality is that most of them are quite Trumpy themselves, at least in the most serious ways Trump is bad, and they'll be ready to carry his agenda forward long after he is gone.

If Trump were to be impeached and replaced by Pence, you might lose some of the personal corruption, but in exchange you'll get approximately the same institutional corruption and some religious fanaticism higher up the priority list. Most of what makes Trump bad he's already wrapped up in and likely would continue. He wouldn't be an embarrassing moron trying to enrich himself, but he absolutely would use the DoJ in a corrupt, partisan manner.

[_canpakes]

Trump will soon be gone - either in one year or 5 - and his agenda will be rolled back and repaired

Oh, I'm not certain that is going to happen. Trump will be gone, but I don't know if his agenda will be rolled back or repaired.

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If Trump were to be impeached and replaced by Pence, you might lose some of the personal corruption, but in exchange you'll get approximately the same institutional corruption and some religious fanaticism higher up the priority list. Most of what makes Trump bad he's already wrapped up in and likely would continue.

I certainly don’t think that the change would be immediate. But some of it will be inevitable, especially on the environmental front. Not all of the current Administration’s changes on that front can continue for too long before their constituency starts to experience detrimental issues related to them and then accepts the need to change those policies.

As long as they can convince themselves that they ‘discovered’ the problem rather than are merely acknowledging the same issue as existed previously and was pushed by their political rivals in days past, then they’ll rally appropriately for change. It’s a bit like how conservatives have recently decided that Monsanto is ‘evil’ for practices outlined by green-voting types for decades already because those practices have started to affect certain segments of The Base. But they feel safe in pursuing change regarding Monsanto because they believe that they were on the forefront of discovering the problem now that they’re all sharing Monsanto memes with their conservative friends and family on Facebook.

This probably sounds unduly optimistic, but it does seem that even people absorbed in ideological stupidity (“Regulations are bad!!1!”) will come to their senses somewhat when, say, their water supply starts to consistently test abnormally higher for carcinogens. It’s just too bad that the rest of the normal folks have to deal with the fallout until that day comes.