And then one day...

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:The supreme irony of what's-his-nuts posting this from 4chan is that, well, it's from 4chan. It's easily one of the most degenerate sites on the www heavily populated by people espousing traditional norms and values all the while participating and sharing in tranny porn, child porn, and every variety of, well, porn imaginable.

I respectfully disagree. Child porn is rightfully banned there.
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Incidentally, Some Like it Hot is a great movie and you should watch it immediately Doc. Drop whatever you are doing and do it now.

(I'm younger than you.)
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EAllusion wrote:Incidentally, Some Like it Hot is a great movie and you should watch it immediately Doc. Drop whatever you are doing and do it now.

(I'm younger than you.)

I did not catch how Marylin Monroe fell into this silly thread. I double checked my memory to be sure that was the reference, found this
from Roger Ebert

poured into a dress that offers her breasts like jolly treats for needy boys, she seems totally oblivious to sex while at the same time melting men into helpless desire.

Roger may have been younger when he wrote those words.
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EAllusion wrote:Please point me to where in this link Wiemar Republic Germany gave pedophiles free reign in society. I'll be waiting (forever). Or did you not understand my point about how people upset about tolerance of homosexuality in public would be claimed as that?

Or are you just saying that Nazis and conservative Christian allies, past and present, like to attribute any sexual permissiveness in general outside of their narrowly defined mores as tolerance of the worst examples they can think of in order to justify their behavior? Like conflating drag queens in general with pedophiles? Because, yeah, that seems about right. But you wouldn't know anything about doing that, right? Nazis are bad people, and the solution isn't to surrender to their demands but to oppose them.


Your post is mostly just insulting banter, however your main point seems to be that the German people were upset with adult homosexual relationships being tolerated in public. And nothing(!) more than adult consensual homosexual relationships.

Right. :rolleyes:

You’re very smart so you already know that Hitler singled out Magnus Hirschfeld as the most dangerous Jew in Germany. You also already know that Magnus Hirschfeld, also known by his drag queen name Tante Magnesia, coined the term transvestite and founded the infamous Institut für Sexualwissenschaft which was mercifully shutdown by the German Student Union (not your boogeymen Christians and Nazis).

At Hirschfeld’s institute, a wide variety of degenerate services were offered including the first surgical sex changes in modern history, abortions, lectures and ‘sex counseling’, room rentals, a large library of pornography and erotic literature on every possible perversion (including bestiality and pedophilia), and a Museum of Sex featuring a wide array of homosexual fetish items, dildos, “masturbation machines”, etc.

Your attempt to rewrite history and reality is duly noted. I really hope your next reply contains some kind of Tante Magnesia apologia.
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Smokey,

How in the “F” do you know so much about this topic? Kinda gay, man.

- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Smokey,

How in the ____ do you know so much about this topic? Kinda gay, man.

- Doc


If a Mormon apologist, especially one known by his 3 initials, responded with such substance-less sneering and ad hominem, there would be 10 threads about it and 3 Go-Fund-Me campaigns about how apologetics is toxic and Church leadership needs to intervene.

I know you’re a boomer trying to keep up with the Internet but try not to be so boring.
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Smokey wrote:Your post is mostly just insulting banter, however your main point seems to be that the German people were upset with adult homosexual relationships being tolerated in public. And nothing(!) more than adult consensual homosexual relationships.

First, the "German people" did not vote Hitler into office. His support derived from a fraction of German society. When understanding why that coalition backed Hitler's rise, it is true that being upset about sexual permissiveness outside conservative Christian norms of the time was a factor. This reflects poorly on them, not the object of their concern. They were upset about proto-sexual revolution trends of the era, prominently including increased tolerance of homosexuality. Reducing this into "nothing more than homosexuality" is a strawman.

What also is a strawman is arguing that they were upset about pedophiles being given free reign in German society. How do we know this? Because pedophiles weren't given free reign in Weimar-era Germany. Were some people the type to equate tolerance of anything they disliked as equivalent to supporting pedophilia? Sure, that's a move social conservatives have gone to time and time again (see: this thread), but we need to keep distinct propaganda and irrational fear with what was happening.

You’re very smart so you already know that Hitler singled out Magnus Hirschfeld as the most dangerous Jew in Germany. You also already know that Magnus Hirschfeld, also known by his drag queen name Tante Magnesia, coined the term transvestite and founded the infamous Institut für Sexualwissenschaft which was mercifully shutdown by the German Student Union (not your boogeymen Christians and Nazis).

Are you claiming this man was promoting social acceptance of pedophilia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_Hirschfeld

Your attempt to rewrite history and reality is duly noted. I really hope your next reply contains some kind of Tante Magnesia apologia.

So, do you view society supporting a Hitler as a good thing or a bad thing?
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Smokey wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Smokey,

How in the ____ do you know so much about this topic? Kinda gay, man.

- Doc

If a Mormon apologist, especially one known by his 3 initials, responded with such substance-less sneering and ad hominem, there would be 10 threads about it and 3 Go-Fund-Me campaigns about how apologetics is toxic and Church leadership needs to intervene.

I know you’re a boomer trying to keep up with the Internet but try not to be so boring.

I dunno. It's kind of like a young mopologist with some sort of cog dis identity issues has decided to edgelord himself into the forum. I mean, it's cool and all, you do you.

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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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What also is a strawman is arguing that they were upset about pedophiles being given free reign in German society. How do we know this? Because pedophiles weren't given free reign in Weimar-era Germany.

I think you’re either ignorant of what every historian already knows about Weimar Germany or you’re just being dishonest because you want to “debunk a pol meme.”

Allow me to educate you.

Child prostitution was so prevalent in Weimar Germany they called it medicine because it could be arranged through a pharmacy or simple phone call.

‘Medicine’: Child prostitutes (age 12-16), so called because they were prescribed as “medicine” in pharmacies. All the client needed to do was tell the pharmacist how many years he had suffered from his ailment (e.g., 12), without mentioning what ailment it was, and request the color of the pill he preferred (e.g., red). He was then escorted to a cubicle where his “medicine” awaited him: a 12-year-old redhead.

Telephone-girls (often billed as “virgins”): expensive child prostitutes (ages 12-17) ordered by telephone like a takeaway meal; the nymphettes were delivered by limousine or taxi.

https://www.amazon.com/Voluptuous-Panic ... 0922915962

Sir Arthur Wynne Morgan Bryant described throngs of child prostitutes outside the doors of the great Berlin hotels and restaurants. He adds: “Most of them—the night clubs and vice resorts—were owned and managed by Jews. And it was the Jews among the promoters of this trade who were remembered in after years.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Bryant#1940s

The Institut für Sexualwissenschaft, in addition to what was previously mentioned, encouraged “educational” visits from school children. (Sort of ties into the OP, doesn’t it!)

Luigi Barzini describes what he saw in Berlin in the 1920s:

I saw pimps offering anything to anybody: little boys, little girls, robust young men, libidinous women, animals. The story went the rounds that a male goose whose neck you cut at just the right ecstatic moment would give you the most delicious frisson of all—as it allowed you to enjoy sodomy, bestiality, homosexuality, necrophilia and sadism at one stroke. Gastronomy too, as one could eat the goose afterwards.

https://www.salon.com/2000/11/22/weimar/

I could go on and on like many others have done, but I think it’s clear your claim in the quote above has been thoroughly refuted.
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I think you’re either ignorant of what every historian already knows about Weimar Germany or you’re just being dishonest because you want to “debunk a pol meme.”

Allow me to educate you.

The existence of child prostitution in Berlin wouldn't establish that it is tolerated by Berlin society anymore than the existence of murder in Mobil, Alabama proves that people have free reign to murder in Alabama. The source you are relying on is not exactly the work of a historian, but even taking it on its own terms, you've made quite the leap by arguing that using pharmacies and pharmaceutical code as a front to offer child prostitutes proves high prevalence or broad social tolerance. The fact that codes have to be used in fact argues against the latter point and it says nothing about the former.

If you want to quote historians on the prevalence and acceptance of child prostitution in Wiemar Germany, then do so.

Sir Arthur Wynne Morgan Bryant described throngs of child prostitutes outside the doors of the great Berlin hotels and restaurants. He adds: “Most of them—the night clubs and vice resorts—were owned and managed by Jews. And it was the Jews among the promoters of this trade who were remembered in after years.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Bryant#1940s

So by "historians" you mean a Nazi friendly book published by a then popular, but deeply anti-semitic British historian in 1940 that promoted the idea of Jews as child prostitute drivers that you are citing without any underlying source or documentation? Cool.

Here's some other things he said about Jews of the era to add to your "what historians know..."

The Jews, he wrote, had taken advantage, of Germany's postwar weakness and 'since the sun does not shine often on their race, they made hay as fast as they could'. In this British equivalent of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Bryant argued that Jewish control of German wealth and power 'soon lost all relation to their numbers'. All government ministries had their quotas of Jews. The Reichsbank and the large private banks were 'practically controlled' by them. So were the press, the arts and the publishing trade. According to Bryant, 'a telephone conversation between three Jews in ministerial offices' could close down any newspaper in Germany, and this power was 'frequently used'. Furthermore, authorship in Germany 'almost seemed to have become a kind of Hebrew monopoly'.

As this Jewish stranglehold over German national life developed, Gentiles were excluded from privileged occupations. Bryant argued that 'at this time it was not the Aryans who exercise racial discrimination'. The Germans had somehow to rescue their superior indigenous culture from an alien hand. Bryant believed Jews exhibited an 'oriental and passionate enjoyment of the sensuous delight of the hour', they felt nothing but contempt for 'authority and the household gods of more pampered races . . . Their inherited instinct was to skim the cream rather than to waste vain time and effort in making enduring things,' he continued. Jews were 'lovers of the flamboyant and the arts of advertisement'. They sneered at the Teutonic virtues of discipline, hard work, thoroughness and craftsmanship. Still claiming a historian's objectivity, Bryant then wrote of 'the migrant type — "Asiatic hoards on the sands of the Mark of Brandenburg" ' who seemed 'with all the invincible vitality and irresponsible opportunism of their race to be making of a broken nation their wash-pot'.

Of the German Jews in particular, probably the most cultivated and assimilated in Europe, Bryant wrote: 'They were arrogant, they were vulgar, and they were vicious.' They made films glorifying 'financial crooks, criminals and prostitutes'. Bryant reported that Jews dominated 'the innumerable nightspots and vice resorts which mocked the squalid poverty of the German capital'. Innocent Christian Germans were introduced to 'a bewildering degree of sexual promiscuity . . . At private parties mattresses were strewn about and petting was only the beginning.' This took place in literally hundreds of 'cabarets, pleasure resorts and the like . . . most of them owned and managed by Jews'. Every perversion, according to Bryant, was 'exploited and stimulated by Jewish caterers who, while seldom sharing such tastes, did not hesitate to turn them to their profit'. In these chapters, Bryant drew a picture of German life between the wars from which his readers were encouraged to sympathise with the Nazis and merely shrug when, at the end of this vicious tirade, he explained that in redressing the balance against the Jews it was an unfortunate German characteristic `to carry things to extremes'.

http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/ ... reme-toady

Seems legit. Anyway, if you got actual sources, feel free to offer them.
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