US pulling out of North Syria

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Icarus wrote:Lou Dobbs is trying to desperately become the next Sean Hannity. I've never seen someone so obviously in the tank for another person. Look at him rail against a dozen Republican figures, calling them "damned fools" for daring to criticize Trump.

There was a time (about 15 years ago) when I liked watching Dobbs' show on CNN. When I see him today, he's like a completely different person to me. He has totally damned sold out.
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EAllusion wrote:Maybe, and I know this is crazy here, they don't actually disapprove that much of the stuff they stay silent on or vociferously defend with disinformation?

Of course. They simply make a note of the things regular (moral) people object to so that when a Democrat is in power, they know when to complain effectively.

Republicans are two-year-olds in adult bodies. They don't know right from wrong. They're just assholes.
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As a libertarian, I'm generally in favor of the US finding ways to ratchet down its presence in endless war, but also do not approve of Trump's recklessness that does significant long term damage to the US as a credible ally as it also risks entangling the US in further conflict.


How did you feel about this when George Bush did the same thing? Do you agree with Rand Paul on this issue now? Or is it just a case where, "Trump did it," so I must disagree with it?
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Donald Trump got "rolled" by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, a National Security Council source with direct knowledge of the discussions told Newsweek.

In a scheduled phone call on Sunday afternoon between President Trump and President Erdogan, Trump said he would withdraw U.S. forces from northern Syria. The phone call was scheduled after Turkey announced it was planning to invade Syria, and hours after Erdogan reinforced his army units at the Syrian-Turkish border and issued his strongest threat to launch a military incursion, according to the National Security Council official to whom Newsweek spoke on condition of anonymity.

The U.S. withdrawal plays into the hands of the Islamic State group, Damascus and Moscow, and the announcement left Trump's own Defense Department "completely stunned," said Pentagon officials. Turkey, like the United States, wants regime change in Syria. Russia and Iran support the Assad regime.

"President Trump was definitely out-negotiated and only endorsed the troop withdraw to make it look like we are getting something—but we are not getting something," the National Security Council source told Newsweek. "The U.S. national security has entered a state of increased danger for decades to come because the president has no spine and that's the bottom line."
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Pat Robertson said Trump is “in danger of losing the mandate of heaven” (which would be code for religious types ceasing to amorally rationalize their support).
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Perfume on my Mind wrote:Pat Robertson said Trump is “in danger of losing the mandate of heaven” (which would be code for religious types ceasing to amorally rationalize their support).


I've watched that video on Huffpost

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pat-robe ... 389804aba9

Robertson does indeed say that. I find it rather strange that a Christian commentator should use such an expression - since the phrase is simply the usual translation of the Chinese Confucian term referring to the approval of a given ruler by a somewhat impersonal embodiment of the moral and natural order, whose designation is commonly translated as 'Heaven'. When the 'Mandate of Heaven' is lost, a dynasty falls.

Have Christians now adopted this term from Confucians?
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Perfume on my Mind wrote:Pat Robertson said Trump is “in danger of losing the mandate of heaven” (which would be code for religious types ceasing to amorally rationalize their support).

Not gonna happen. Robertson knows that he’ll never abandon Trump, no matter what. He’s not allowed to support a Democratic candidate, and neither are his followers.
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ajax18 wrote:
As a libertarian, I'm generally in favor of the US finding ways to ratchet down its presence in endless war, but also do not approve of Trump's recklessness that does significant long term damage to the US as a credible ally as it also risks entangling the US in further conflict.


How did you feel about this when George Bush did the same thing? Do you agree with Rand Paul on this issue now? Or is it just a case where, "Trump did it," so I must disagree with it?

George Bush didn’t do the “same thing.” This is a much worse backstab. You need better sources of information. With regard to implying US support for the Kurds against Iraq at the end of the Persian Gulf War, then not materializing that support, it was bad.

Rand Paul has gotten quite bad and I do not agree with him here. I am all in favor of US non-involvement, but that’s why we need to be sensible when we commit and withdraw forces.
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EA. Have you seen this? Harvard psychologist is saying that he thinks Trump's recent statements meet the criteria for a psych hold.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-harvard- ... ld-1463884

Were he in the civilian sector touting his great and unmatched wisdom, then threatening to financially destroy a person or business, maybe...maybe...it could meet the criteria. In the case of President I think that while this is an interesting idea it's a slippery slope/dangerous position to take.

You have more experience with this than I do. What do you think about it?

A danger to oneself or others? Grandiosity combined with an economic threat? I don't really see it (the criteria represented) myself.
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Jersey Girl wrote:EA. Have you seen this? Harvard psychologist is saying that he thinks Trump's recent statements meet the criteria for a psych hold.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-harvard- ... ld-1463884

Were he in the civilian sector touting his great and unmatched wisdom, then threatening to financially destroy a person or business, maybe...maybe...it could meet the criteria. In the case of President I think that while this is an interesting idea it's a slippery slope/dangerous position to take.

You have more experience with this than I do. What do you think about it?

A danger to oneself or others? Grandiosity combined with an economic threat? I don't really see it (the criteria represented) myself.

yes, political rhetoric...still lost on some. Have you always been so easily manipulated, or are the hair-fires just that contagious?
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