Marie Yovanovitch defies Trump and testifies under subpoena

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Marie Yovanovitch defies Trump and testifies under subpoena

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I'm a bit surprised no-one stateside has posted this yet:


Ex-Ukraine envoy testifies Trump tried to oust her: read her opening statement

Marie Yovanovitch said she was told Trump had lost confidence in her and that there was a ‘concerted campaign’ against her


The former US ambassador to Ukraine has testified to impeachment investigators that Donald Trump pressured the state department to oust her from her position, despite a top official in the department telling her she had done nothing wrong.

According to a blistering opening statement, Marie Yovanovitch told a closed-door impeachment hearing on Capitol Hill on Friday that she was told the president had lost confidence in her and “abruptly” recalled in May. She said she was told by an official that there was a “concerted campaign” against her and that Trump had pressured officials to remove her for almost a year.



Here are the explosive final parts of her statement:

Events Before and After I served in Ukraine

I arrived in Ukraine on August 22, 2016 and left Ukraine permanently on May 20, 2019. Several of the events with which you may be concerned occurred before I was even in country. Here are just a few:

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• the release of the so-called “Black Ledger” and Mr. Manafort’s subsequent resignation from the Trump campaign;
• the Embassy’s April 2016 letter to the Prosecutor General’s Office about the investigation into the Anti-Corruption Action Center or AntAC; and
• the departure from office of former Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.
Several other events occurred after I was recalled from Ukraine. These include:
• President Trump’s July 25 call with President Zelenskiy;
• All of the discussions surrounding that phone call; and
• Any discussions surrounding the reported delay of security assistance to Ukraine in Summer 2019.

During my Tenure in Ukraine

• As for events during my tenure in Ukraine, I want to categorically state that I have never myself or through others, directly or indirectly, ever directed, suggested, or in any other way asked for any government or government official in Ukraine (or elsewhere) to refrain from investigating or prosecuting actual corruption. As Mr. Lutsenko, the former Ukrainian Prosecutor General has recently acknowledged, the notion that I created or disseminated a “do not prosecute” list is completely false—a story that Mr. Lutsenko, himself, has since retracted.

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• Equally fictitious is the notion that I am disloyal to President Trump. I have heard the allegation in the media that I supposedly told the Embassy team to ignore the President’s orders “since he was going to be impeached.” That allegation is false. I have never said such a thing, to my Embassy colleagues or to anyone else.

• Next, the Obama administration did not ask me to help the Clinton campaign or harm the Trump campaign, nor would I have taken any such steps if they had.

• I have never met Hunter Biden, nor have I had any direct or indirect conversations with him. And although I have met former Vice President Biden several times over the course of our many years in government, neither he nor the previous Administration ever, directly or indirectly, raised the issue of either Burisma or Hunter Biden with me.

• With respect to Mayor Giuliani, I have had only minimal contacts with him—a total of three that I recall. None related to the events at issue. I do not know Mr. Giuliani’s motives for attacking me. But individuals who have been named in the press as contacts of Mr.Giuliani may well have believed that their personal financial ambitions were stymied by our anti-corruption policy in Ukraine.

• Finally, after being asked by the Department in early March to extend my tour until 2020, I was then abruptly told in late April to come back to Washington from Ukraine “on the next plane.” You will understandably want to ask why my posting ended so suddenly. I wanted to learn that too, and I tried to find out. I met with the Deputy Secretary of State,

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who informed me of the curtailment of my term. He said that the President had lost confidence in me and no longer wished me to serve as his ambassador. He added that there had been a concerted campaign against me, and that the Department had been under pressure from the President to remove me since the Summer of 2018. He also said that I had done nothing wrong and that this was not like other situations where he had recalled ambassadors for cause. I departed Ukraine for good this past May.

• Although I understand that I served at the pleasure of the President, I was nevertheless incredulous that the U.S. government chose to remove an Ambassador based, as best as I can tell, on unfounded and false claims by people with clearly questionable motives. To make matters worse, all of this occurred during an especially challenging time in bilateral relations with a newly elected Ukrainian president. This was precisely the time when continuity in the Embassy in Ukraine was most needed.
*******

Before I close, I must share the deep disappointment and dismay I have felt as these events have unfolded. I have served this nation honorably for more than 30 years. I have proudly promoted and served American interests as the representative of the American people and six different presidents over the last threedecades.Throughoutthattime,I—likemycolleaguesatthe State Department—have always believed that we enjoyed a sacred trust with our government.

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We make a difference every day on issues that matter to the American people—whether it is war and peace, trade and investment, or simply helping with a lost passport. We repeatedly uproot our lives, and we frequently put ourselves in harm’s way to serve this nation. And we do that willingly, because we believe in America and its special role in the world. We also believe that, inreturn,ourgovernmentwillhaveourbacksandprotectusifwe come under attack from foreign interests.
That basic understanding no longer holds true. Today, we see the State Department attacked and hollowed out from within. State Department leadership, with Congress, needs to take action now to defend this great institution, and its thousands of loyal and effective employees. We need to rebuild diplomacy as the first resort to advance America’s interests and the front line of America’sdefense.Ifearthatnotdoingsowillharmournation’s interest, perhaps irreparably.
That harm will come not just through the inevitable and continuing resignation and loss of many of this nation’s most loyal and talented public servants. It also will come when those diplomats who soldier on and do their best to represent our nation face partners abroad who question whether the ambassador truly speaks for the President and can be counted upon as a reliable partner. The harm will come when private interests circumvent professional diplomats for their own gain, not the public good. TheharmwillcomewhenbadactorsincountriesbeyondUkraine see how easy it is to use fiction and innuendo to manipulate our system. In such circumstances, the only interests that will be served are those of our strategic adversaries, like Russia, that spread chaos and attack the institutions and norms that the U.S.
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helped create and which we have benefited from for the last 75 years.
I am proud of my work in Ukraine. The U.S. Embassy, under my leadership, represented and advanced the policies of the United States government as articulated, first by the Obama Administration and then by the Trump Administration. Our efforts were intended, and evidently succeeded, in thwarting corrupt interests in Ukraine, who fought back by selling baseless conspiracy theories to anyone who would listen. Sadly, someone was listening, and our nation is the worse off for that.
Thank you for your attention. I welcome your questions.


Here is her opening statement:
Zadok:
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What does her statement show in your opinion? She serves at the pleasure of the president as she admitted. So she could be recalled based on any reason. She was obviously upset at being fired and that perhaps the firing was because someone might gain financially from her firing? However, there is nothing offered to support this allegation except merely her opinion, apparently based on rumor or simply speculation on her part. Maybe there is more to it be we cannot know because the hearing was done in secret.

Perhaps this is why no one here bothered to post her statement?
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Exiled wrote:What does her statement show in your opinion? She serves at the pleasure of the president as she admitted. So she could be recalled based on any reason. She was obviously upset at being fired and that perhaps the firing was because someone might gain financially from her firing? However, there is nothing offered to support this allegation except merely her opinion, apparently based on rumor or simply speculation on her part. Maybe there is more to it be we cannot know because the hearing was done in secret.

Perhaps this is why no one here bothered to post her statement?


If that is the way it looks to you, do please excuse my hair-fire!
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Trump fired our embassador and she speculates that some people related to Giuliani might financially benefit from it because she was supposedly tough on crime. Nothing more is added and the hearing was in secret so we cannot know.

Let me know when there is more.

Meanwhile the Epstein story is slowly disappearing again. I bet your prince andrew is breathing a sigh of relief. I'm sure Trump and Clinton and Ehud Barak and all the other possible pedo elites are too.
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Aaaaand Exiled is a confirmed 4channer.

This puts everything in perspective.

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Heaven forbid anyone waits for all the evidence to come in prior to pronouncing guilt. Is this what 4chaners do, wait until all the evidence comes in prior to deciding on an issue? Or do they rush to judgment like most do in paradise? Trump might be guilty of something, but like russiagate, perhaps the walls won't actually close in on anything. How about we disgard emotional thinking? I don't like Trump but let's focus on real issues that will ensure Trump isn't reelected, instead of issues that will bring out his base in force and perhaps convince those key voters in key states to vote for him again because the democrats don't stand for anything other than Trump is an a$$hole.
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Exiled wrote:Heaven forbid anyone waits for all the evidence to come in prior to pronouncing guilt. Is this what 4chaners do, wait until all the evidence comes in prior to deciding on an issue? Or do they rush to judgment like most do in paradise? Trump might be guilty of something, but like russiagate, perhaps the walls won't actually close in on anything. How about we disgard emotional thinking? I don't like Trump but let's focus on real issues that will ensure Trump isn't reelected, instead of issues that will bring out his base in force and perhaps convince those key voters in key states to vote for him again because the democrats don't stand for anything other than Trump is an a$$hole.


Hilarious! You just tried to spin away some of the evidence, and now you want to wait for all of the evidence. Unless, of course, the evidence is that Russia screwed with our elections as opposed to any number of conspiracy theories. Then we just ignore it.

The former ambassador’s opening statement supports the conclusions that she was vigorous in anti-corruption efforts, that Joe Biden didn’t put pressure on Ukraine to help his son, that Ukraine did not try to help Clinton in 2016, and that she was not recalled because of job performance issues, and that it was Trump who recalled her. It also supports the hypothesis that Trump’s motive in recalling her was to help Giuliani and/or his clients in exchange for digging up dirt.

It’s not a smoking gun, but most evidence consists of small pieces of the puzzle.
​“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”

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Exiled wrote:Heaven forbid anyone waits for all the evidence to come in prior to pronouncing guilt. Is this what 4chaners do, wait until all the evidence comes in prior to deciding on an issue? Or do they rush to judgment like most do in paradise? Trump might be guilty of something, but like russiagate, perhaps the walls won't actually close in on anything. How about we disgard emotional thinking? I don't like Trump but let's focus on real issues that will ensure Trump isn't reelected, instead of issues that will bring out his base in force and perhaps convince those key voters in key states to vote for him again because the democrats don't stand for anything other than Trump is an a$$hole.


"Russiagate" closed in on a ton of damning information. You exist in an alternative universe of conspiracy theories that contend the opposite, but it's kind of obnoxious that you take your outlier views as if it is proven fact and go from there.
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Of course that was only her opening statement that was published.

That statement was ... quite interesting. But what would be fascinating would be to know what she spent the rest of the day telling the House Committee in closed session. She does not seem to be a lady who does things by halves.
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I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
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That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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