Marie Yovanovitch defies Trump and testifies under subpoena

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: If that's illegal then holy “F” are you going to have a problem with the Trump's' business dealings right now.

Lol. Exactly.

That reality being painfully obvious to most non-Trumpers, it's especially ludicrous to watch Don Jr. warm up the crowds at Trump rallies with "Lock him up!!1!" chants, and see crowds of logic-addled Trump bots play right into the ruse.
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canpakes wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: If that's illegal then holy ____ are you going to have a problem with the Trump's' business dealings right now.

Lol. Exactly.

That reality being painfully obvious to most non-Trumpers, it's especially ludicrous to watch Don Jr. warm up the crowds at Trump rallies with "Lock him up!!1!" chants, and see crowds of logic-addled Trump bots play right into the ruse.


I think most in that crowd just want the political opposition punished and are delighting at the idea of them being imprisoned.

The next level is when you realize that they think Trump et. al. are being railroaded and any desire to jail them for actual criminal behavior is just the "other side" behaving like them. That's why it's so important to convince them that every politician is corrupt and underhanded. They then can believe that they might as well be corrupt and underhanded for their side.
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Exiled,

Just watch the latest John Oliver for a connect-the-dots ref the players in question. If you’re still, “wHaT abOUt tHe ClIntOnS?”, after that then I don’t know what else to say to you about this.

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EAllusion wrote:
I think most in that crowd just want the political opposition punished and are delighting at the idea of them being imprisoned.

The next level is when you realize that they think Trump et. al. are being railroaded and any desire to jail them for actual criminal behavior is just the "other side" behaving like them. That's why it's so important to convince them that every politician is corrupt and underhanded. They then can believe that they might as well be corrupt and underhanded for their side.

Nah, what you are going to see is voter fatigue. Voters are tired of how it appears the Democrats only want Trump instead of want to do here/now for everyday Americans. Impeachment talk is boosting fundraising on both sides buut the "regular" voters still worry about real problems...and currently these voters see and experience Trump solving more kitchen table problems than the Democrats.

you guys love the anecdotal, so:
https://www.axios.com/focus-group-ohio- ... dbb2c.html

YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio — Swing voters in this Rust Belt state are expressing a range of unease about impeaching President Trump, from fears it will hurt the economy to frustrations that House Democrats are more invested in going after Trump than in helping people.
...
9 of the 11 participants raised their hands to say impeachment is a distraction from the issues they care most about — things like wages and unemployment, border security, bringing troops home, and health care costs and access.

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subgenius wrote:
EAllusion wrote:
I think most in that crowd just want the political opposition punished and are delighting at the idea of them being imprisoned.

The next level is when you realize that they think Trump et. al. are being railroaded and any desire to jail them for actual criminal behavior is just the "other side" behaving like them. That's why it's so important to convince them that every politician is corrupt and underhanded. They then can believe that they might as well be corrupt and underhanded for their side.

Nah, what you are going to see is voter fatigue. Voters are tired of how it appears the Democrats only want Trump instead of want to do here/now for everyday Americans. Impeachment talk is boosting fundraising on both sides buut the "regular" voters still worry about real problems...and currently these voters see and experience Trump solving more kitchen table problems than the Democrats.

you guys love the anecdotal, so:
https://www.axios.com/focus-group-ohio- ... dbb2c.html

YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio — Swing voters in this Rust Belt state are expressing a range of unease about impeaching President Trump, from fears it will hurt the economy to frustrations that House Democrats are more invested in going after Trump than in helping people.
...
9 of the 11 participants raised their hands to say impeachment is a distraction from the issues they care most about — things like wages and unemployment, border security, bringing troops home, and health care costs and access.



It says 8 of the 11 people voted for Trump. And you think that's a reasonable sampling?
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Exiled wrote:Meanwhile the Epstein story is slowly disappearing again. I bet your prince andrew is breathing a sigh of relief. I'm sure Trump and Clinton and Ehud Barak and all the other possible pedo elites are too.

Exiled wrote:Heaven forbid anyone waits for all the evidence to come in prior to pronouncing guilt.

Yes. Heaven forbid.

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Here comes more:


Former top aide to testify that she opposed Trump calling Zelenskiy


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Fiona Hill, Trump’s former top adviser on Russia who resigned shortly before the Ukraine call, is reportedly expected to testify that she opposed the idea of the president having a conversation with Volodymyr Zelenskiy.


Adam Goldman

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Hill is prepared to testify that she opposed the idea of the phone call because she did not understand its purpose. While it was described as a congratulatory call following parliamentary elections in Ukraine, Trump had already made a congratulatory call to Zelensky in April.

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subgenius wrote:Nah, what you are going to see is voter fatigue.

Lol. ‘Voter fatigue’ has long ago set in given Trump’s daily dose of chaos for chaos’s sake, and nonstop/hourly “everyone is out to get me” raging angry toddler Twitter rants.
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subgenius wrote: ... the issues they care most about — things like wages and unemployment, border security, bringing troops home, and health care costs and access.


Well, that’s too bad. None of those have improved significantly under Trump.
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