Anyone Watch the Latest Democrat Debate? Anyone care?

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ajax18 wrote:
Wanting to secure the future of a particular race as opposed to securing the future of humanity makes you a racist, no matter what your heritage is.


Would you consider "Black Lives Matter," a racist organization since it by definition focuses on helping black victims of police violence while ignoring victims of police violence of other races?

Is the United Negro college fund racist since it seeks to help pay educational costs to the exclusion of equally economically disadvantaged non black people?

If I started giving a Scottish American college scholarship, you'd consider that racist for sure right?

Wanting to secure the future of a particular race as opposed to securing the future of humanity makes you a racist, no matter what your heritage is.


How does the NAACP not meet the criteria of this definition of racism?


I think this definition of racism has something worthwhile to say but Ajax has seized upon the shortcomings of the definition. Everybody should be aware of the more traditional definition but I will repeat it anyway just in case.Racism is the belief that a particular group is inferior or a bad influence so should be kept in an separate inferior or subservient position. Or at least more currently that the inferior social position due to race and past repression should not receive any consideration to overcome the disabilities due to past subjugation. (implying that the problem is to some degree deserved)

A member of a disadvantaged group can be angry with members of the advantaged group without racism being involved. That does not mean that the anger carries no potential dangers and emotional problems.
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I see Ajax18 is incapable of having a good faith discussion about his ideology.

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In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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huckelberry wrote:
DoubtingThomas wrote: Where can I find commandments like "Thou shall not be racist" Thou shall not have slaves" "Thou shall not have child brides" "Thou shall not rape" in the scriptures? Help me find the moral knowledge in the scriptures......

Those who do not see these commandments in the commands to love your neighbor as yourself and to do unto others as you would have them do to you do not qualify to be Christian.


Okay, how about "Thou shall not commit suicide" or "Thou shall not have child brides"? Child marriage was common in the ancient world and God never bothered to clarify that it is wrong.

Isaac loved his 10 year old spouse Rebecca, but God didn't care.

39 And they all blessed the Lord who brought this thing about, and they gave him Rebecca, the daughter of Bethuel, for a wife for Isaac.

40 And the young woman was of very comely appearance, she was a virgin, and Rebecca was ten years old in those days


https://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/jasher/24.htm
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ajax18 wrote:Your side is the one who is defining race...

LOL... Dude, for you to say this shows not only how obsessed by race you are, but how screwed up your view on this subject is.

What "side" is defining race, exactly? Who's spending all their time obsessed with those definitions, right now?

Jesus.

If you could explain to yourself honestly why you're really damned obsessed with race, perhaps most of your own questions will be answered.
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DoubtingThomas wrote:Okay, how about "Thou shall not commit suicide" or "Thou shall not have child brides"? Child marriage was common in the ancient world and God never bothered to clarify that it is wrong.

Isaac loved his 10 year old spouse Rebecca, but God didn't care.

39 And they all blessed the Lord who brought this thing about, and they gave him Rebecca, the daughter of Bethuel, for a wife for Isaac.

40 And the young woman was of very comely appearance, she was a virgin, and Rebecca was ten years old in those days


https://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/jasher/24.htm


I know of no evidence that God has tried to clarify our moral puzzles for us. We are supposed to figure that stuff out ourselves.
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huckelberry wrote: I know of no evidence that God has tried to clarify our moral puzzles for us. We are supposed to figure that stuff out ourselves.


In other words we don't need the Bible? Why did Jesus bother to give his famous sermon on the mount?
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If you could explain to yourself honestly why you're really ____ obsessed with race, perhaps most of your own questions will be answered.


Will Elizabeth Warren be considered the first Native American president?
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
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ajax18 wrote:
If you could explain to yourself honestly why you're really ____ obsessed with race, perhaps most of your own questions will be answered.


Will Elizabeth Warren be considered the first Native American president?

Folks on the Right seem much more obsessed with this question than anyone else. You’re proving the point.
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DoubtingThomas wrote:
huckelberry wrote: I know of no evidence that God has tried to clarify our moral puzzles for us. We are supposed to figure that stuff out ourselves.


In other words we don't need the Bible? Why did Jesus bother to give his famous sermon on the mount?


Jesus wanted to tell people that it is important for people to give moral questions serious thought and to actually be honest about it. Nobody reads the Bible for a legal analysis of moral questions. It reflects human experience and peoples struggles with their relationship to God. Christians expressly state that they are not under the law so do not see the rules that can be found in the Bible as the last word. Jews who see themselves under the umbrella of all those social rules they gathered together have spent a lot of work thinking about how they should handle those rules and how they can be related to current conditions. They have large collections of thoughts and interpretations and continue using those as a basis for updating.
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Perfume on my Mind wrote:I hear you on "prior environmental influences" and malleability. I can't help but think, [i]but isn't malleability another biologically sourced attribute?

Of course! I thought I had made that clear already. Read my posts again. :smile:
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