My desire to secure the existence or future for children does not in any way depend on what their color, race or cultural background is.
If a black person wanted to secure the existence or future of the negro race does that make him a black supremacist?
If a Hispanic person wants to preserve the future existence of the latino race and latin culture, does that make him a Hispanic supremacist equal to Hitler?
If you add the phrase exclusive existence or else imply their existence will be über alles, then yes. If they will coexist in parallel with others, then no.
Perfume on my Mind wrote:Another argument for biology:
When we talk about our environment, or our "nurture," we're talking about a person's entire available world. There's no chance a person can absorb everything that environment has to offer, so they have to pick and choose what seems important to them. The very options we take of what environmental factors we think about/influence us makes biology king right from the outset. We're ignoring much of the environment we don't care about, despite being exposed to it.
I have no quibbles about that!
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
The NAACP was founded on and exists as a response to racial discrimination. It is attempting to rectify a wrong situation. Why no "association for the advancement of white people?!" implicitly assumes a similar need exists for whites, but it does not. Trying to coopt organizations meant to combat racist discrimination into a cover for supremacist tactics is both obvious and gross.
Time and again Ajax's posts are like that scene in American History X where Cameron goes on about if Blacks can write about MLK and Hispanics can write about Cesar Chavez, then it's hypocrisy to not let him celebrate Adolf Hitler.
Anway, I'll ask again Ajax. What's this white culture you are trying to preserve for your children? What does it entail? As Doc observes, you just bad faith ignore trying to defend your position.
Usually, when white supremacists talk about defending "white culture" they mean it in an exclusionary manner. Whiteness ends up defined by its contrast to other racial categories and that's about it. When white supremacists marched shouting "Jews will not replace us" the gathering point was defense of a statue venerating the confederate defense of slavery That's it. It wasn't a defense of "white culture" as such. It's pure grievance at the idea of their sense of dominance being threatened.
Why no "association for the advancement of white people?!" implicitly assumes a similar need exists for whites,
I didn't ask why no association for the advancement of white people exists. I asked why creating such an association would make one a white supremacist per your definition of the word. Your answer is always about something that happened centuries ago. Millenia from now antebellum slavery will still be used as justification for reverse racist policies and government programs. Why? It's not about race which if it has any meaning now, it will have far less meaning 1000 years from now. But rest assured people like Al Sharpton and Spike Lee will still be making movies about ancient history in an effort to stir up hate and a desire for vengeance in people who may even only find 1/1024th of a minority in their DNA. It's an excuse to raise taxes, collect welfare handouts, and buy votes. That's all it ever has been.
If we were really concerned about global warming, why don't we consider overpopulation as a potential contributor? It's not about global warming or saving the planet. It's just another excuse to raise taxes and increase the size and authority of government.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
ajax18 wrote: I asked why creating such an association would make one a white supremacist per your definition of the word.
The answer is the same the variations that go, "What is wrong with white pride? white power? White...{x}. If blacks can do it, why can't I?" There is not a parallel between what the NAACP is doing and any meaningful need for the same for whites as a class. Whites, as a class, are not victims of discrimination because of whiteness. So when people act as though that's what they are doing, invariably what they are really doing is smuggling in segregationist and supremacist themes in the guise of just doing what everyone else does.
Your answer is always about something that happened centuries ago.
Really? Quote me.
If we were really concerned about global warming, why don't we consider overpopulation as a potential contributor?
Overpopulation and/or the potential for further explosive population growth is routinely considered as a potential driver of global warming and a problem to be dealt with in that context.
This reads as "Why don't people do the thing they do, but I have never bothered to find out about?"
Why no "association for the advancement of white people?!" implicitly assumes a similar need exists for whites,
I didn't ask why no association for the advancement of white people exists. I asked why creating such an association would make one a white supremacist per your definition of the word. Your answer is always about something that happened centuries ago. Millenia from now antebellum slavery will still be used as justification for reverse racist policies and government programs. Why? It's not about race which if it has any meaning now, it will have far less meaning 1000 years from now. But rest assured people like Al Sharpton and Spike Lee will still be making movies about ancient history in an effort to stir up hate and a desire for vengeance in people who may even only find 1/1024th of a minority in their DNA. It's an excuse to raise taxes, collect welfare handouts, and buy votes. That's all it ever has been.
If we were really concerned about global warming, why don't we consider overpopulation as a potential contributor? It's not about global warming or saving the planet. It's just another excuse to raise taxes and increase the size and authority of government.
7) Confuse your opponent with questions, always questions. The questions need not be relevant. The goal is to get your opponent off their game, and preventing your opponent from making their point. Think Endless Recursion through Irrelevant Questions. Also, do not respond to their topical questions; you must present a gish gallop of questions to avoid the narrative.
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
I need to wrap my mind around your perspective, so rather than focusing on other minorities and their perceived special status I’d like to figure out what is “White” to you, and what is the White race to you. Clarifying questions follow.
1) Which ethnic groups around the globe qualify as White to you?
2) If you could create an ethnostate which ethnicities would you include?
3) Do you consider Jews to be White?
4) What roles do you believe Jews are playing in working against White interests?
5) Do you believe the White “race” will go extinct some day?
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
DoubtingThomas wrote: Where can I find commandments like "Thou shall not be racist" Thou shall not have slaves" "Thou shall not have child brides" "Thou shall not rape" in the scriptures? Help me find the moral knowledge in the scriptures.
Would you like a list? I'm serious. I can list them.
DoubtingThomas wrote:Please. I will convert to Christianity if you can give me a good list.
Had you read my next post to you on this thread you would have seen that I already did post the verses.
DT I don't know why you say that if I give you a list you would convert to Christianity. First, I think it's very, very, difficult for LDS to 'delete' their Mormon teachings and understanding from their mind. Second, I don't think that a list of supporting scripture should really be your reason for converting to another religion. Any religion. I suppose that you could but I don't think that conversion really works that way.
I could be wrong.
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb