Anyone Watch the Latest Democrat Debate? Anyone care?

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Gunnar wrote:Of course! I thought I had made that clear already. Read my posts again. :smile:

Actually, I just did. I did get something a little different this time, but not what I think you may have intended. hehe

I wasn't arguing with you, Gunnar. I have a sense of where you're at. *nod*

The whole discussion is pretty interesting to me. I think about questions like, What about a person who lives his whole life in a cave? Doesn't that limited environment influence who they are?

Sure. But you can bet no two people are going to react to that situation exactly the same. Still, there is much to be said to expanding your available environment; it's pretty damn important, so there's that.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
I'm not only ok with Jersey Girl's version of Christianity (from what I've read), but supportive of it, too. It gives her a sense of peace, purpose, and design that's nice. I don't view her as using her religion as a political bludgeon, but rather as an internal mechanism that helps her feel placed in the universe.


When you say 'placed' in the universe, what exactly do you mean by that?

What you said about an internal mechanism. You are scary insightful. You couldn't have been more accurate if you had asked me and I answered you myself. My personality and idealist temperament make me function internally and that includes how I process and practice my beliefs.

I spend an inordinate amount of time in introspection, self reflection, contemplation, I work things out in my head longer than it takes me to actually act on my thoughts and ideas. I'm pretty darn self aware because I have spent time studying myself if you will and have tried to discover what makes me tick just like I search for what makes the other guy tick.

More evidence...

That I spend a long time in my head before I act is exactly the reason I waited to answer this post even though I saw it the day that you posted it.

Anyway, yes, religion or spirituality is part of my internal process. Prayer is a huge part of my life. No question about it. Nailed it. Nailed me.

In a way, I have a religion, too. I call myself an atheist, but I could very well see this reality as a simulation in an infinite recursion of simulations. It makes sense to me, helps me sort out one coincidence after another I notice, and it brings me a weird sort of comfort. Yet, at the end of the day I just go with the notion the universe is a physical one and that's the only one that we can know and work through if we're to have any sort of longevity as a species. I certainly wouldn't start evangelizing it and building a coalition of other 'simulationists' to influence government policy. That's the kind of religionist that needs to go the way of the dodo bird.

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Yeah I agree about the political activity. There's something terribly wrong with that. Now not in the sense as in the case of the Civil Rights movement. Something needed to change for the well being of Black Americans. It's still not changed enough, but the movement created a wave and an awareness. We used to call it consciousness raising.

But when I think about reproductive rights (and I could be wrong here) I think the work is largely done or it was done until folks started messing with it as they are right now. So long as our laws offered choice I don't see what possible difference that makes to the anti-abortion groups so long as they are able to make their own choice to continue a pregnancy to term, the other women is free to make her choice to terminate, and so do the health care professionals who address unplanned pregnancy regardless of the outcome. It's about access to education and support so far as I am concerned.

What you said about a recursion of simulations and viewing life in such a way gives you some sort of comfort as you attempt to explain coincidences in life makes all the sense in the world to me and I will tell you why. I think it is part and parcel of our human existence to attempt to explain what seems to be the inexplicable. It's normal, it's natural. You've worked out something that supports your experience and it brings you peace. I experience the world through the lens of my God being present.

In my mind it's all the same thing. It's all the same quest for understanding and making sense of what happens to us. It's just different mechanisms we use to interpret our journey through this world and through life.

In my belief I believe that there is a God who has the ability to access you. If I am wrong about that, what difference does it make so long as you have peace in your contemplations and so long as neither of us are beating the other guy bloody over what they believe.
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canpakes wrote:
EAllusion wrote:Anway, I'll ask again Ajax. What's this white culture you are trying to preserve for your children? What does it entail?

I've been posing this same question to ajax for a while, now. Still haven't received an answer.

I gave him an answer once, and he didn't seize on it. White culture is cheese manufacturing, especially in Wisconsin. I don't know why he doesn't accept that.

Frankly, I'd be very sad if they stopped making cheese. They're really damned good at it. Let's preserve cheese culture.

ETA: And by the way, even if the culture's white, the cheese can turn out orange, as we've all seen.
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Perfume on my Mind wrote:
The whole discussion is pretty interesting to me. I think about questions like, What about a person who lives his whole life in a cave? Doesn't that limited environment influence who they are?


Yes, but I think we adapt.

I think this discussion (since we shifted away from the OP) has been awesome. I haven't seen thoughtful exchange of ideas take place like this on MDB in a very, very, long time.

And nobody died from it.
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canpakes wrote:
EAllusion wrote:Anway, I'll ask again Ajax. What's this white culture you are trying to preserve for your children? What does it entail?

I've been posing this same question to ajax for a while, now. Still haven't received an answer.


Since he won’t participate in good faith I’ll just cut to the chase:

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The subthread running with ajax18 about white culture.

Ajax do you consider Jesus a member of white culture? Please provide the reasoning behind whatever your answer is.
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ajax18 wrote:Will Elizabeth Warren be considered the first Native American president?

If you're not racist, why do you care?
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Jewish media? with a hulking ugly Jewish image. Doc why this piece of sewer flotsam?

And why does the nice young man with the tee shirt about La Raza have such a long knife?
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huckelberry wrote:Jewish media? with a hulking ugly Jewish image. Doc why this piece of sewer flotsam?

And why does the nice young man with the tee shirt about La Raza have such a long knife?


Ajax once called me disgusting and reprehensible and couldn’t believe I was white based on my more progressive views even though I am, technically, a gun owner and happen to still be registered republican. He tried to reconcile his disgust and hatred of me personally and the fact that I’m Caucasian by asking if I was a white Jew as that is the only way his cowardly little racist mind could rationalize me being white while having the personal and political views I have about him. He is a disgusting human shiat stain on the fabric of American society. He literally honors Hitler with his user name.

Just adding a little backstory here for context.

It also cracks me up watching an overt racist like Ajax try to expound on the moral virtues of Christianity. He is the personification of racist, alt-right talking points and is incapable of even explaining his own beliefs beyond knee jerk, barely literate regurgitation of the propaganda he reads on the racist right wing rags he looks to for marching orders. He is the opposite of everything the biblical Jesus taught.
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Perfume on my Mind wrote:
ajax18 wrote:Will Elizabeth Warren be considered the first Native American president?

If you're not racist, why do you care?

Good answer!

I can't imagine her ever claiming such a thing. If she did, she would be as bad as ajax, and every bit as dishonest as Trump!
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