EAllusion wrote:The "transcript" released by the Whitehouse did indeed edit out more explicit damning information per Vindman. Who could've guessed that the most dishonest people in the country that lie about everything would try to mislead the American public about their impropriety?
The thing is, the White House attempt to whitewash the call was poorly done because even this "transcript" contained criminal behavior. They're so incompetent even with their coverups. I suspect they're unfamiliar with "quid pro quo" and thought it meant something else. From Trump to Mulvaney, everyone seems to be admitting a quid pro quo right out in the open but then they say "we never said the words quid pro quo."
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EAllusion wrote:The "transcript" released by the Whitehouse did indeed edit out more explicit damning information per Vindman. Who could've guessed that the most dishonest people in the country that lie about everything would try to mislead the American public about their impropriety?
The thing is, the White House attempt to whitewash the call was poorly done because even this "transcript" contained criminal behavior. They're so incompetent even with their coverups. I suspect they're unfamiliar with "quid pro quo" and thought it meant something else. From Trump to Mulvaney, everyone seems to be admitting a quid pro quo right out in the open but then they say "we never said the words quid pro quo."
It's either that they're operating at a, "by law, you have to tell me if you're a cop" level of incompetence or they thought that admitting some horrible behavior, but not the worst of it would be enough to get them off the hook. I don't know which one.
Icarus wrote:The thing is, the White House attempt to whitewash the call was poorly done because even this "transcript" contained criminal behavior. They're so incompetent even with their coverups. I suspect they're unfamiliar with "quid pro quo" and thought it meant something else. From Trump to Mulvaney, everyone seems to be admitting a quid pro quo right out in the open but then they say "we never said the words quid pro quo."
I think it's just a matter of the fact that GOP politicians learned a few years ago that their base is the most easily bullshitted base going, and it doesn't really matter much what they do. Their lousy governance has been out in the open for a while now, and people keep voting for them. They've got Fox News and other idiotic right wing media running information interference for them.
I suspect the current administration is seeing just how far they can bend the situation to their will before it breaks.
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Why is this Tim Morrison bailing out of the NSC before he testifies? Is it because he's about to drop a bomb on Trump and he's going to jump off the runaway train with his integrity intact? Disassociate from the administration entirely?
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Jersey Girl wrote:Why is this Tim Morrison bailing out of the NSC before he testifies? Is it because he's about to drop a bomb on Trump and he's going to jump off the runaway train with his integrity intact? Disassociate from the administration entirely?
Seems likely. Every time one of these people leave, they have a good chance at being replaced by someone whose ethics are more Trumpian. Each day of the Trump presidency is more dangerous than the last.
Jersey Girl wrote:Why is this Tim Morrison bailing out of the NSC before he testifies? Is it because he's about to drop a bomb on Trump and he's going to jump off the runaway train with his integrity intact? Disassociate from the administration entirely?
Seems likely. Every time one of these people leave, they have a good chance at being replaced by someone whose ethics are more Trumpian. Each day of the Trump presidency is more dangerous than the last.
I haven't been able to catch up yet today. I know that the turnover ensures that another bad actor (or incompetent flake) will come into the administration but...I tend to think that in the end that only makes the case for impeachment. It's clear that the prior leaks that mentioned chaos, idiocy, ignorance, reactive/self serving decisions vs. well studied and strategic decision making, etc. were true. It's undeniably evident in what we're seeing unfold right now.
You know the old saying it'll all come out in the wash. It's big time laundry day in D.C.
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It seems to me that the Republicans are increasingly trying to shift to the argument that corruption is not really impeachable after all, especially if it is done as openly and brazenly in the light of day as Trump is increasingly doing.
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Gunnar wrote:It seems to me that the Republicans are increasingly trying to shift to the argument that corruption is not really impeachable after all, especially if it is done as openly and brazenly in the light of day as Trump is increasingly doing.
There's a lot of different arguments being thrown at the wall at the moment. A related one to this is that impeachment overturns the results of an election and therefore is illegitimate.
That makes you wonder why impeachment is in the Constitution at all and implicitly assumes that once an election is won, the President is above the law. This would include impunity for manipulating future elections, which wouldn't be a democracy at all. So, the patriots running this argument are telling you the Constitutional framers set up a sham.
EAllusion wrote:There's a lot of different arguments being thrown at the wall at the moment. A related one to this is that impeachment overturns the results of an election and therefore is illegitimate.
That makes you wonder why impeachment is in the Constitution at all and implicitly assumes that once an election is won, the President is above the law. This would include impunity for manipulating future elections, which wouldn't be a democracy at all. So, the patriots running this argument are telling you the Constitutional framers set up a sham.
Yeah, all of that too. What they are essentially trying to argue is that the Constitution itself is un-Constitutional.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison