Donald Trump and Civil War

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Smoklet will cope during the Civil War posting from his comfy bed, sipping on hot choco, dropping dank memes on the enemiez.



- Doc

[_canpakes]

Geez. I’ve handled worse in my yard with a reacher-grabber.

[_DarkHelmet]

Split the country. There is no way we are going to be able to get along.

You sound like the southern secessionists leading up to the Civil War. This country has been divided since before the revolution - elites vs commoners, bankers vs. farmers, urban vs. rural, north vs. south, industry vs. agriculture. While we will probably always be divided, the trend over time is social, technological, and scientific progress. We don't regress or even stand still. Even the most conservative standards today would be considered progressive just a few decades ago. If we did divide the country, your side of the wall would always be about 20 - 30 years behind the other side of the wall. It' not that you won't have gay rights on your side, it's just that it won't be until about 2050.

[_Brackite]

I would guess they would be smart to try to get rid of any Republicans close enough to do damage immediately. But I suppose it's not establishment Repiblicans they need to fear but mostly Trump Republicans. Trump has broken up the good ole boy club that existed between Republicans and Democrats that controlled Washington for a long time.

This is not really true. Bipartisanship in Washington DC was pretty common during the Reagan years and somewhat common during the Clinton years. But during the Obama years, bipartisanship became much more rare. During Obama's 2nd term, Republicans in the House refused to compromise with Obama on immigration reform. And Republicans during Obama's 2nd term blocked legislation on expanding background checks with regards to gun sales despite the fact that about 90% of Americans are for this. Link

I believe that the rise of Trump to the Presidency is mainly due to a lack of bipartisanship in Washington DC during the Obama years.

[_MeDotOrg]

Split the country. There is no way we are going to be able to get along.

How would this work? What would be the dividing lines between the two countries?

[_EAllusion]

Split the country. There is no way we are going to be able to get along.

How would this work? What would be the dividing lines between the two countries?

Almost all of the wealth of the US is in areas of strong Democratic support and almost all of the land is in areas of strong conservative support. Ajax's civil war fantasies aside, dividing that would not go well.

[_EAllusion]

Ajax seems to have disappeared when asked to explain how Trump is being denied due process.

It's not to hard to venture what he probably means given that this is a popular argument in media he consumes. The idea is that Trump legal team isn't being allowed to open air confront witnesses testifying behind close doors in Congress is a denial of due process. There is a specific focus on outing the original whistle blower. That's not how due process works at all. One, this isn't a criminal inquiry, but if it was, that would be analogous to the phase in which police question witnesses to determine a move to a grand jury investigation. Due process does not dictate that such interviews must be made public and open to cross-examination or scrutiny from the accused. That would be an insane way to run investigations because it would tip off guilty parties about what investigators know and don't know and taint the fact finding process. Not a single person making this argument for Trump believes that police should operate this way and not a single one is proposing legislation to make them do so.

6th amendment rights apply to evidence in a trial, analogous to Senate trial after impeachment, and concern witnesses being used for evidence. That may or may not include an anonymous tipster that sparked an investigation. If the tipster isn't used as evidence, then there is no right to confront them. If someone alerts the police that there's gun shots coming from your house and the police show up to find you with a gun in your hand and a dead body on the floor, prosecutors might not feel they need to present the tipster as evidence.

So Ajax is operating off a broken understanding of due process, then defending a cheap comparison to a campaign of terror and murder against blacks as somehow a genius analogy. He's commending Trump's bravery in his willingness to be offensive, and then, without evidence, presumes that this makes him a strong candidate. What's most offensive is that he historically has shown zero concern for actual due process rights of the accused in the criminal justice system and has, only several occasions, cheered on the denial of people's rights.

[_Gunnar]

Split the country. There is no way we are going to be able to get along.

That's only because Trump morons refuse to acknowledge facts.

Granted Trump is especially hated by the deep state above most Republicans. He doesn't apologize for America. He puts America first.

Absolute BS. Only a moron would believe this.

Yes! It is incredible to me that any even semi-well informed person could still be naïve enough to think that Trump is seriously concerned about anyone's best interests other than his own.

[_ajax18]

If we did divide the country, your side of the wall would always be about 20 - 30 years behind the other side of the wall. It' not that you won't have gay rights on your side, it's just that it won't be until about 2050.

I think gays can be conservative. They work. They pay taxes and usually they don't have children that they impose upon society to support. But if conservative America had no gay rights, why would any gay person choose to live there?

Since the elite are liberal and happy to pay their fair share, that should take care of all the refugees, unwed mothers, and generational welfare culture that such an oasys of money would attract.

My side of the wall wouldn't have those programs available so there wouldn't really even need to be a wall.

[_moksha]

How would this work? What would be the dividing lines between the two countries?

The desire on both the part of Russia and extreme conservatives is an end to the USA and the rise of the remnants: The New Confederacy, The Kingdom of Deseret, Biblelandia, Cascadia, etc....