Stonewall Jacksons nation

[_ajax18]

Ajax, how do you think proper conservative policy will be determined and maintained in this new nation?

Obviously we won't agree on everything. I personally would love to have seen social security gone yesterday. Yet Rush Limbaugh pointed out that no Republican (in spite of the Democrat talking point) has ever tried to cut social security. I'm just saying it would be a lot easier to function as country when you agree on more than you disagree. Trump and I are close enough to negotiate. People on this board and I are too far apart to even start a conversation. It's dysfunctional.

There are after all people who are seen as rino. Will they be allowed in this country? What if they stay and end up taking over the policy making?

I hope not. You all would have to take Romney. We don't want him.

What if the true passionate conservatives end up dividing in disagreement with each other?

Then we have smaller nation states? What's wrong with that?

I live in the red area of Washington state. There has always been movement of people to the blue side looking for better jobs. Will that be a problem for your new country?

Are they going to work for Bill Gates? Is he even a Republican? I would imagine lower corporate tax rates and "corporate welfare," would attract plenty of capital into our new country for those willing to work. I don't think impassioned speeches by Comrade Graham for the wealthy to step up and pay their fair share will drive money to his side of the wall but I could be wrong. We won't know until we try it out.

Even though the county I live in has a majority of Republicans it also has lots of liberals. It has few people who would agree with extremes. How is this new country going to deal with a large population who is against it, its dreams and this fantasy country?

We might be a small country at first. But even if you only start with a small community of people doing things right, success will become attractive to the rest of the world.

There were a few American people who emigrated from the USA to the USSR because of their strong socialist convictions. But for the most part it was the other way around.

I have a friend who grew up in East Germany. He still thinks and believes like a communist. It's how he was raised. Yet why did he choose to come to the USA to live? Sometimes there's a disconnect in the liberal mind between what they do and what they preach and I don't think they're purposely being hypocritical. In any event he's seems to have adjusted well and as long as we don't talk politics we get along. But yeah, the new constitution would prohibit the purchase of votes with income tax dollars. Communism would be discriminated against.

[_Maksutov]

I bet Putin would be happy to put up Ajax and his friends. Hell, I'd help them pack.

[_EAllusion]

Ajax, you do realize that while you think of Democratic areas as leaches on hardworking Americans, in actuality, most of America's wealth is generated by them, right? The New York's, San Francisco's, Houston's, etc. are where America's economic might comes from, not rural Louisiana.

Ajax-land would immediately become a dirt poor nation. You might think that the superiority of your political beliefs will change this, but surely you must realize that change won't happen overnight. I think that would make them look upon their neighbors with envious eyes, but regardless, this will present a serious social problem immediately.

[_Maksutov]

Let me interject the observation that today is the 81st anniversary of Kristallnacht. We have seen the sort of ethnostate that Ajax admires before.

[_canpakes]

"we will take the entire red area of the electoral map"

No. They would like to think so, but they will not.

The maps that folks on the Right like to talk about - showing those huge swaths of red - are County border maps. The problem for those folks is that in some areas, notably the West, the large majority of the land within those borders belongs to the federal government. No new Confederate States of America is walking off with those federal lands or adjacent Reservation lands because the 1200 US citizen residents in some county voted ‘majority Republican’ in an election.

Note that these are resource-intensive areas, and that the remaining areas not to be part of any new CSA have the vastly greater number of major trade ports. In contrast, the new CSA will get to manage a large portion of the border with Mexico.

Good luck keeping the new CSA solvent and in the desired ethnostate status.

[_Maksutov]

"we will take the entire red area of the electoral map"

No. They would like to think so, but they will not.

The maps that folks on the Right like to talk about - showing those huge swaths of red - are County border maps. The problem for those folks is that in some areas, notably the West, the large majority of the land within those borders belongs to the federal government. No new Confederate States of America is walking off with those federal lands or adjacent Reservation lands because the 1200 US citizen residents in some county voted ‘majority Republican’ in an election.

Note that these are resource-intensive areas, and that the remaining areas not to be part of any new CSA have the vastly greater number of major trade ports. In contrast, the new CSA will get to manage a large portion of the border with Mexico.

Good luck keeping the new CSA solvent and in the desired ethnostate status.

Statists, your Godless rule is over!





Look at my gun! See my gun! Want to touch it?

[_canpakes]

Wait till the residents of the new CSA realize that nearly all of the WalMart crap that they wanna buy needs to dock in LA first.

Those smart Left-Coasters are probably just fine with hittin’ ‘em with a special border trade tax. ; )

Look at my gun! See my gun! Want to touch it?

Nobody wants to touch that Pringle-and-pork-rind stuffed weekend wannabe’s gun. Or anything else slung from him.

[_Maksutov]

Wait till the residents of the new CSA realize that nearly all of the WalMart crap that they wanna buy needs to dock in LA first.

Those smart Left-Coasters are probably just fine with hittin’ ‘'em with a special border trade tax. ; )

They dream of Red Dawn but live and die as Lavoy Finicum: resentful underachievers blaming everything on the state and the establishment and the evil Other.

The Handmaid's Tale offers one model of a theocratic modern state, not too distant from some of the Dominionist ideas on the far Christian Right. I don't recall if ethnicity was a factor in that society.

I'm sure there are other examples in science fiction and relevant historical examples as well.

[_MeDotOrg]

The divide between red and blue has looked different throughout our nation's history.





Saying that the divides of 2020 are permanent ignores history.

[_ajax18]

The divide between red and blue has looked different throughout our nation's history.





Saying that the divides of 2020 are permanent ignores history.

MeDotOrg that graph does amaze me and thank you for contributing that post. To what would you attribute the change from red to blue. Was it a change in people's opinions, a change in demographic, or just a change in the platform of the political parties?